"All symbols that are related to Nazism. One of the reasons (if not the reason) why they banned "Wolfenstein 3D"." Interesting. So even if the swatsika is protrayed as a bad thing (to the point of practically being a bullseye) it's banned. So...can you have swastikas in Textbooks? Perhaps 100 years from now the Holocaust will be forgotten. Of course, that'll make Tim May happy because then it could happen all over again. So a question for you: If I want to write a book on the history of the swastika, or teach about the holocuast in Germany, do I need a license or something? (And let's just assume I have a "politically correct" view.) -TD

From: Michael Kalus To: "Major Variola (ret)" CC: "cypherpunks@lne.com" Subject: Re: Singers jailed for lyrics Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 19:48:14 -0500

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The German law clearly defines what is hate speech. It is not an easy task as you can see in a six month trial.

Germany, or any State that restricts words or thought, needs a regime change with extreme prejudice.

Then I guess you better start liberating the world. Pretty much any country in the world has a law against hate speech.

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Certain symbols (e.g. Swastika) are forbidden as well.

Are there exceptions for Buddhists and Amerinds? Moron.

All symbols that are related to Nazism. One of the reasons (if not the reason) why they banned "Wolfenstein 3D".

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to add that most of these laws were made up by the allies (read US and Britain).

If so, then Germany should have the balls to discover freedom --adopt the US Constitution for instance. The US can't counter such a move.

They could actually until ~ 10 years ago. Germany (even though considered independend) wasn't. By international law a piece was never brokered, it was just a cease fire.

Of course now they could, but Germany still is a bit jumpy about it's past.

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There is no "ultimate" free speech as the US promises,

Not in Germany, obviously. In the US, yes. Our founders trusted the Volk; your conquerors (eg the US) let your shepards (eg your govt) neuter the sheep (ie you).

Nice... So in the US you have :

- - Walmart which censors music to make it "clean". - - Blockbuster who edits movies (or has in the past, not sure if they still do) - - TV Stations who edit movies - - Censors at TV stations who "watch" over the programming. - - What about the FCC who restricts what can be aired?

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Fuck censors dead.

I agree.

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Freedom is only tested when its unconfortable, baby.

I agree again, but the problem is that even in the good ol'e US of A it is not tested.

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Maybe you will find this list too uncomfortable, Kalus.

Doubtful. I don't have an issue with discussion if both sides can get their say. I do not agree that driving people like Nazis into the underground accomplishes anything. Their ideas have to be looked at in the light and then society can answer.

Problem with that is: 99% of people give a fuck about discussion or ideas. they want to be told what to do.

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