[NEWS] FBI To Require ISPs To Reconfigure E-mail Systems (fwd)
David Lesher <wb8foz@NRK.COM> sent the following to CYBERIA-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM ------------------- National Journal's Technology Daily PM Edition October 16, 2001 HEADLINE: PRIVACY: FBI To Require ISPs To Reconfigure E-mail Systems PHOENIX -- The FBI is in the process of finalizing technical guidelines that would require all Internet service providers (ISPS) to reconfigure their e-mail systems so they could be more easily accessible to law enforcers. The move, to be completed over the next two months, would cause ISPs to act as phone companies do to comply with a 1994 digital-wiretapping law. "They are in the process of developing a very detailed set of standards for how to make packet data" available to the FBI, said Stewart Baker, an attorney at Steptoe & Johnson who was formerly the chief counsel to the National Security Agency (NSA). The proposal is not a part of the anti-terrorism legislation currently before Congress because the agency is expected to argue that the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act (CALEA) already grants it the authority to impose the requirement, Baker said. He added that some ISPs already meet the requirements. Baker, who frequently represents Internet companies being asked to conduct electronic surveillance for the FBI, made the revelation Tuesday in a panel discussion at the Agenda 2002 conference here on how the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks are likely to affect the technology industry and civil liberties. He elaborated on the plan in an interview. Such a stance could result in considerable cost to many ISPs, and it would constitute a reversal of previous government policy, which held that ISPs are not subject to CALEA's requirements. But Baker also said "it has been a long-term goal of the FBI and is not just a reaction to Sept. 11." Mitchell Kapor, chairman of the Open Source Application Foundation and a founder of Lotus Development, also spoke on the panel. Kapor also started the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) and has been a vocal advocate of Internet privacy. EFF played a significant role in the CALEA debate, and divisions over whether to support that law led to a split of the organization. "Under the cover of people's outrage [over the terrorist attacks] and desire for revenge, lots of things that have been defeated before have been brought back in [to the anti-terrorism legislation] without a demonstration that the lack of appropriate law is a problem," Kapor said in an interview. But on the whole, Kapor and Baker shared more common ground on the acceptability of new electronic surveillance than they had in the past, with both expressing the view that now is a time for calm reconsideration of positions rather than butting horns over the details of how civil liberties would be curtailed by an anti-terrorism bill. "I find myself more in the middle than I used to because my identity in life is not as a civil liberties advocate," Kapor said. "Part is being an American and a world citizen." Baker said it was entirely appropriate for the FBI to conduct far more surveillance. "What has changed [since Sept. 11] is the view of the technology community," Baker said. "I used to get calls like, 'How can I beat the NSA?'" said Baker. "Now, people call and say, 'I have this great idea that would help NSA,' or, 'I want to go volunteer and do outreach on behalf of the FBI or NSA.' There is a real change of people's view about who the bad guys are." . -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433 ********************************************************************** For Listserv Instructions, see http://www.lawlists.net/cyberia Off-Topic threads: http://www.lawlists.net/mailman/listinfo/cyberia-ot Need more help? Send mail to: Cyberia-L-Request@listserv.aol.com **********************************************************************
On Wednesday, October 17, 2001, at 09:24 AM, Bill Stewart wrote:
David Lesher <wb8foz@NRK.COM> sent the following to CYBERIA- L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM -------------------
National Journal's Technology Daily
PM Edition
October 16, 2001
HEADLINE: PRIVACY: FBI To Require ISPs To Reconfigure E-mail Systems
PHOENIX -- The FBI is in the process of finalizing technical guidelines that would require all Internet service providers (ISPS) to reconfigure their e-mail systems so they could be more easily accessible to law enforcers.
I've never understood why this is not recognized by the courts as an ipso facto violation of the First Amendment. Letters are speech, and e-mail is a letter. (There is no confusing stuff about "use of the public airwaves" as there is with radio and television, the putative reason for FCC regulation of radio and television.) Requiring that a letter be in a certain form, or written in a particular language, would be a violation of the First Amendment. Why is electronic communication any different? It isn't. It may be that Carnivore just has not been challenged properly in the courts. Sad that it may take such an expensive challenge, with years and years of watiing, and with an uncertain outcome (due to the ignoring of the C. by the Supremes).
demonstration that the lack of appropriate law is a problem," Kapor said in an interview. But on the whole, Kapor and Baker shared more common ground on the acceptability of new electronic surveillance than they had in the past, with both expressing the view that now is a time for calm reconsideration of positions rather than butting horns over the details of how civil liberties would be curtailed by an anti-terrorism bill.
Kapor is just another Cathy Young, just another fellow traveller supporting the total state. --Tim May, Corralitos, California Quote of the Month: "It is said that there are no atheists in foxholes; perhaps there are no true libertarians in times of terrorist attacks." --Cathy Young, "Reason Magazine," both enemies of liberty.
Tim writes:
I've never understood why this is not recognized by the courts as an ipso facto violation of the First Amendment.
This is because the courts have created for themselves from whole cloth the power to "interpret" the Constitution, as opposed to simply enforcing its letter. Once you allow the courts to do this, you have created a third branch of government, more powerful than the other two. Clearly, if the Constitution says one thing, and the Supreme Court says something entirely different, one should follow the Constitution. Most of the country, in the current political climate, would follow the Supreme Court. This makes the Constitution very weak. In fact, I would imagine that dispensing with the pretense of the Constitution altogether today would engender no more protest from the Sheeple than going off the gold standard did. There might be a few irate editorials, but no one would take up arms, particularly with the government doing its best to suggest that people who call themselves "Patriots" and know the Constitution too well are extremist whackos.
Requiring that a letter be in a certain form, or written in a particular language, would be a violation of the First Amendment.
Why is electronic communication any different?
It isn't. But in the classic words of Bill Gates to Steve Jobs about the Mac being technically superior to Windows, "You don't get it. It doesn't matter." The First Amendment already lies on the ashheap of history, thanks to the Dworks and the doctrine that the Constitution is unimportant if "it saves just one (metaphorical) child." First Amendment rot began with Miller, and continued with Ferber, and Knox, and Amateur Action. There is now very little left of the First Amendment that is not tiny fungus-coated balls en route through the digestive tract of worms.
Kapor is just another Cathy Young, just another fellow traveller supporting the total state.
Mitch needs to go back to the Maharishi for a tuneup. Stay tuned for the next exciting episode of "Spore Wars." -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"
On Wed, 17 Oct 2001, Bill Stewart wrote:
"I find myself more in the middle than I used to because my identity in life is not as a civil liberties advocate," Kapor said. "Part is being an American and a world citizen."
I think this sums up our problem. "Who needs enemies...?"
Bill Stewart wrote:
David Lesher <wb8foz@NRK.COM> sent the following to CYBERIA-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM -------------------
National Journal's Technology Daily
PM Edition
October 16, 2001
HEADLINE: PRIVACY: FBI To Require ISPs To Reconfigure E-mail Systems
PHOENIX -- The FBI is in the process of finalizing technical guidelines that would require all Internet service providers (ISPS) to reconfigure their e-mail systems so they could be more easily accessible to law enforcers. The move, to be completed over the next two months, would cause ISPs to act as phone companies do to comply with a 1994 digital-wiretapping law. "They are in the process of developing a very detailed set of standards for how to make packet data" available to the FBI, said Stewart Baker, an attorney at Steptoe & Johnson who was formerly the chief counsel to the National Security Agency (NSA).
The proposal is not a part of the anti-terrorism legislation currently before Congress because the agency is expected to argue that the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act (CALEA) already grants it the authority to impose the requirement, Baker said. He added that some ISPs already meet the requirements.
Baker, who frequently represents Internet companies being asked to conduct electronic surveillance for the FBI, made the revelation Tuesday in a panel discussion at the Agenda 2002 conference here on how the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks are likely to affect the technology industry and civil liberties. He elaborated on the plan in an interview.
Such a stance could result in considerable cost to many ISPs, and it would constitute a reversal of previous government policy, which held that ISPs are not subject to CALEA's requirements. But Baker also said "it has been a long-term goal of the FBI and is not just a reaction to Sept. 11."
Mitchell Kapor, chairman of the Open Source Application Foundation and a founder of Lotus Development, also spoke on the panel. Kapor also started the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) and has been a vocal advocate of Internet privacy. EFF played a significant role in the CALEA debate, and divisions over whether to support that law led to a split of the organization.
"Under the cover of people's outrage [over the terrorist attacks] and desire for revenge, lots of things that have been defeated before have been brought back in [to the anti-terrorism legislation] without a demonstration that the lack of appropriate law is a problem," Kapor said in an interview. But on the whole, Kapor and Baker shared more common ground on the acceptability of new electronic surveillance than they had in the past, with both expressing the view that now is a time for calm reconsideration of positions rather than butting horns over the details of how civil liberties would be curtailed by an anti-terrorism bill.
"I find myself more in the middle than I used to because my identity in life is not as a civil liberties advocate," Kapor said. "Part is being an American and a world citizen." Baker said it was entirely appropriate for the FBI to conduct far more surveillance.
"What has changed [since Sept. 11] is the view of the technology community," Baker said. "I used to get calls like, 'How can I beat the NSA?'" said Baker. "Now, people call and say, 'I have this great idea that would help NSA,' or, 'I want to go volunteer and do outreach on behalf of the FBI or NSA.' There is a real change of people's view about who the bad guys are."
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CALEA is just one ratchet-tooth that needs to be stripped. This shit is routinely abused for purposes that have absolutely nothing to do with bona-fide law enforcement or court proceedings, and often in blatant violation of laws. No time for war stories, however. There may come a time when people will question Tim May's restraint. In the meantime, the following phrase may come in handy in concievable situations: "Go fuck yourself" Punctuate as required. jbdigriz
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Bill Stewart
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Eric Cordian
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James B. DiGriz
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Meyer Wolfsheim
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Tim May