Frissell's Believe it or Not: WWII was won by soldiers, sailors, and marines who fought, died, flew bombers, commanded armies, commanded fleets, and possessed and used nuclear weapons without ever having provided the US government with any proof of their identity. DCF ---- If Womyn and Victims of Color think that it is tough to make it in an advanced capitalist society, they should have tried doing it the way Dead White European Males had to do it -- building an advanced capitalist society out of ancient tyrannies from the ground up stone by stone.
On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, Duncan Frissell wrote:
Frissell's Believe it or Not:
WWII was won by soldiers, sailors, and marines who fought, died, flew bombers, commanded armies, commanded fleets, and possessed and used nuclear weapons without ever having provided the US government with any proof of their identity.
Bullshit, if they had birth certificates they were required to produce them. And if you worked on the neuclear weapons then the FBI most certainly did do a background check. -- ____________________________________________________________________ Day by day the Penguins are making me lose my mind. Bumper Sticker The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage@ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------
On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, Jim Choate wrote:
Bullshit, if they had birth certificates they were required to produce them. And if you worked on the neuclear weapons then the FBI most certainly did do a background check.
But of course they weren't required to have birth certificates. It also seems to me that a large number of under age troopies managed to enlist. Now I didn't fight in WWII but when I applied for an SSN in *1968*, they didn't ask for any proof of anything. They just took my word for it. Typed it up and gave it to me as I stood there. I'll bet they were looser in 1941. I'll bet that the AAC grunts loading the Enola Gay on Tinian Island had not been backgrounded by the FBI. In any case, a background check is a third-party check. You can have one performed on you w/o having supplied proof of identity. Hate to quote myself: http://www.inet-one.com/cypherpunks/dir.1996.01.04-1996.01.10/msg00365.html In the early 1950's Robert Heinlein and his wife Virginia took a trip around the world ("Tramp Royale" recently published by Ace Books). He had to apply for a Passport and got a Certificate of Delayed Birth Registration from Missouri since his county had not kept birth records when he was born. "I breathed a sigh of relief; at last I was me. I had attended school [Annapolis BTW], been commissioned in the armed services, held two civil service jobs, married, voted run for office, drawn a pension and done all manner of things as a flesh-and-blood being through more than four decades, all without having had any legal existence whatsoever." DCF ---- "Back when I was a lad, smoking was a virtue and sodomy a vice. Who'd a thunk it."
On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, Duncan Frissell wrote:
On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, Jim Choate wrote:
Bullshit, if they had birth certificates they were required to produce them. And if you worked on the neuclear weapons then the FBI most certainly did do a background check.
But of course they weren't required to have birth certificates.
Which is beside your point. Your statement was that the government didn't do ANY identification for ANY of the soldiers in WWII. Patently wrong. Quit trying to change the rules in the middle of the game.
It also seems to me that a large number of under age troopies managed to enlist.
AFTER the war started, not before. When the initial draft was executed it was for 21-25 year old males only. They were required to register so that the government knew who was getting drafted. That qualifies as 'identification' and is proof contrary to your assertion. -- ____________________________________________________________________ Day by day the Penguins are making me lose my mind. Bumper Sticker The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage@ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------
At 05:10 PM 12/13/01 -0600, Jim Choate wrote:
Which is beside your point. Your statement was that the government didn't do ANY identification for ANY of the soldiers in WWII. Patently wrong. Quit trying to change the rules in the middle of the game.
AFTER the war started, not before. When the initial draft was executed it was for 21-25 year old males only. They were required to register so that the government knew who was getting drafted. That qualifies as 'identification' and is proof contrary to your assertion.
There's a difference between registering for the Draft or signing enlistment papers and proving your identity. I contend that proof of identity was not required for US military service in WWII. I'll investigate further and see what I can come up with about the enlistment process. DCF
On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, Jim Choate wrote:
On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, Duncan Frissell wrote:
Frissell's Believe it or Not:
WWII was won by soldiers, sailors, and marines who fought, died, flew bombers, commanded armies, commanded fleets, and possessed and used nuclear weapons without ever having provided the US government with any proof of their identity.
Bullshit, if they had birth certificates they were required to produce them. And if you worked on the neuclear weapons then the FBI most certainly did do a background check.
That magic word *if*, I think you are right, and it was an *if*. ifnot, so what? if you had no identity (tm) going in, you had one comming out. Not too long ago, I was able to travel within the US on commercial carriers paying cash, with no ID. Why should tha
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Says who Jim (other than you)? Prove it. Provide us with references that state that in WWII soldiers were required to provide driver licenses, passports, birth certs or other proof of identity. ----------------------Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--------------------------- + ^ + :Surveillance cameras|Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\ \|/ :aren't security. A |share them, you don't hang them on your/\|/\ <--*-->:camera won't stop a |monitor, or under your keyboard, you \/|\/ /|\ :masked killer, but |don't email them, or put them on a web \|/ + v + :will violate privacy|site, and you must change them very often. --------_sunder_@_sunder_._net_------- http://www.sunder.net ------------ On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, Jim Choate wrote:
On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, Duncan Frissell wrote:
Frissell's Believe it or Not:
WWII was won by soldiers, sailors, and marines who fought, died, flew bombers, commanded armies, commanded fleets, and possessed and used nuclear weapons without ever having provided the US government with any proof of their identity.
Bullshit, if they had birth certificates they were required to produce them. And if you worked on the neuclear weapons then the FBI most certainly did do a background check.
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