Hear, hear. This sort of crap is the inevitable outcome of an unmoderated list. All the loons come out to play because there are no real negative consequences for being a loon. And filtering does not do anything besides bury one's head in the sand. I have an solution... (no, it's not AP). :'D I promise, when I get my new business going and have the time/money to devote to it, I will offer Cypherpunks a real solution. (Anybody who has time/money and wants to discuss it now, please contact me offline.) We now return you to the freak show, already in progress. S a n d y

-----Original Message----- From: owner-cypherpunks@lne.com [mailto:owner-cypherpunks@lne.com]On Behalf Of Jon Beets Sent: 20 October, 2001 08:03 To: cypherpunks@lne.com Subject: Re: Retribution Time

Ooooooookay..

The really sad part is you either think your really cool typing this crap or you lack any real social skills... Probably both....

Jon Beets

----- Original Message ----- From: "Nomen Nescio" To: Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 9:30 PM Subject: Retribution Time

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De time be almost here, good peoples. Time to get yours. You know what I and I be talkin about -- no more fuckin around about it. All dem pigs and feds jes be sooo busy wid dem bin Ladens, dey got no time for us simple folks. Time be for I and I to git what we bin waitin for. Git dem muthafuckas dat bin fuckin wid us all dis time. Git dem pigs, git dem judges, git dem bill collectors, git dem banks and take all dat money. Git em all, let God sort dem out. Fuck shit up, any way you ken think of. Git dem assholes what done you wrong, git dem assholes doin everbody wrong. But above all, git you some money!

I and I be talkin somemore bout dis shit pretty soon, hey!

Bo Strange

J.A. Terranson wrote:

And the inevitable outcome of a _moderated_ list is that free expression (loon-like or not) is sacrificed.

Nonsense. You don't understand the marketplace of ideas. Free expression is "sacrificed" only if other outlet for expression are silenced. I cannot and would not shut down cypherpunks@einstein.ssz.com, cypherpunks@lne.com, etc. I will invite like-minder C'punks into my virtual living room and encourage them to speak, but not to shouting. You don't want to go there, fine. Stay with the crowd that makes you feel comfortable, but don't talk nonsense about censorship. S a n d y

On Sat, Oct 20, 2001 at 09:15:37AM -0700, Sandy Sandfort wrote:

Hear, hear.

This sort of crap is the inevitable outcome of an unmoderated list. All the loons come out to play because there are no real negative consequences for being a loon. And filtering does not do anything besides bury one's head in the sand.

Then filter them out and send them a forged bounce message at the same time. That way you let them know that you think that they're an idiot yet you don't have to read their mail to do so. I used to do that before I decided that it was ruder than I wanted to be. Procmail will do it.

I have an solution... (no, it's not AP). :'D

I promise, when I get my new business going and have the time/money to devote to it, I will offer Cypherpunks a real solution. (Anybody who has time/money and wants to discuss it now, please contact me offline.)

A real solution allows each person to decide for themselves what information they wish to consume. That doesn't mean that the collective list membership determines what is "interesting", or that an individual or group of individuals determines it for the group. Only individuals can determine that for themselves. For example, some subscribers may be doing a study on net.loons (or might simply find them interesting) and be using the list to collect their, uh, works. If all other list members find net.loons to be waste of time and wish that their posts were dropped, does that make our net.loon fan's preferences invalid? What's needed is tools to make it easier for individuals to find the information they want and skip the rest.

We now return you to the freak show, already in progress.

I don't see all that much of a freak show. Oh yea, I'm just burying my head in the sand by filtering them out.. Eric