De time be almost here, good peoples. Time to get yours. You know what I and I be talkin about -- no more fuckin around about it. All dem pigs and feds jes be sooo busy wid dem bin Ladens, dey got no time for us simple folks. Time be for I and I to git what we bin waitin for. Git dem muthafuckas dat bin fuckin wid us all dis time. Git dem pigs, git dem judges, git dem bill collectors, git dem banks and take all dat money. Git em all, let God sort dem out. Fuck shit up, any way you ken think of. Git dem assholes what done you wrong, git dem assholes doin everbody wrong. But above all, git you some money! I and I be talkin somemore bout dis shit pretty soon, hey! Bo Strange
Ooooooookay.. The really sad part is you either think your really cool typing this crap or you lack any real social skills... Probably both.... Jon Beets ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nomen Nescio" <nobody@dizum.com> To: <cypherpunks@lne.com> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 9:30 PM Subject: Retribution Time
De time be almost here, good peoples. Time to get yours. You know what I and I be talkin about -- no more fuckin around about it. All dem pigs and feds jes be sooo busy wid dem bin Ladens, dey got no time for us simple folks. Time be for I and I to git what we bin waitin for. Git dem muthafuckas dat bin fuckin wid us all dis time. Git dem pigs, git dem judges, git dem bill collectors, git dem banks and take all dat money. Git em all, let God sort dem out. Fuck shit up, any way you ken think of. Git dem assholes what done you wrong, git dem assholes doin everbody wrong. But above all, git you some money!
I and I be talkin somemore bout dis shit pretty soon, hey!
Bo Strange
Hear, hear. This sort of crap is the inevitable outcome of an unmoderated list. All the loons come out to play because there are no real negative consequences for being a loon. And filtering does not do anything besides bury one's head in the sand. I have an solution... (no, it's not AP). :'D I promise, when I get my new business going and have the time/money to devote to it, I will offer Cypherpunks a real solution. (Anybody who has time/money and wants to discuss it now, please contact me offline.) We now return you to the freak show, already in progress. S a n d y
-----Original Message----- From: owner-cypherpunks@lne.com [mailto:owner-cypherpunks@lne.com]On Behalf Of Jon Beets Sent: 20 October, 2001 08:03 To: cypherpunks@lne.com Subject: Re: Retribution Time
Ooooooookay..
The really sad part is you either think your really cool typing this crap or you lack any real social skills... Probably both....
Jon Beets
----- Original Message ----- From: "Nomen Nescio" <nobody@dizum.com> To: <cypherpunks@lne.com> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 9:30 PM Subject: Retribution Time
De time be almost here, good peoples. Time to get yours. You know what I and I be talkin about -- no more fuckin around about it. All dem pigs and feds jes be sooo busy wid dem bin Ladens, dey got no time for us simple folks. Time be for I and I to git what we bin waitin for. Git dem muthafuckas dat bin fuckin wid us all dis time. Git dem pigs, git dem judges, git dem bill collectors, git dem banks and take all dat money. Git em all, let God sort dem out. Fuck shit up, any way you ken think of. Git dem assholes what done you wrong, git dem assholes doin everbody wrong. But above all, git you some money!
I and I be talkin somemore bout dis shit pretty soon, hey!
Bo Strange
On Sat, 20 Oct 2001, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
Hear, hear.
This sort of crap is the inevitable outcome of an unmoderated list.
And the inevitable outcome of a _moderated_ list is that free expression (loon-like or not) is sacrificed. No thanks. Censorship. er, "moderation" is bad, regardless of any benign intent.
All the loons come out to play because there are no real negative consequences for being a loon.
Wrong. Nomen has long since placed him/herself into the position of not being taken seriously. Having groups of people who choose to turn a deaf ear is a pretty real negative consequence, IMHO.
And filtering does not do anything besides bury one's head in the sand.
I see killfiling as more of a simple noise suppressor, akin to the muffs you wear when shooting. If Nomen has nothing useful to say, then the [individually chosen] loss of his/her input is not "hiding", as your head-in-the-sand metaphor would suggest.
I have an solution... (no, it's not AP). :'D
Mattd will be *very* disappointed <grin>.
I promise, when I get my new business going and have the time/money to devote to it, I will offer Cypherpunks a real solution.
2.5% sodium hypochlorite?
(Anybody who has time/money and wants to discuss it now, please contact me offline.)
We now return you to the freak show, already in progress.
S a n d y
-- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin@mfn.org If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... --------------------------------------------------------------------
J.A. Terranson wrote:
And the inevitable outcome of a _moderated_ list is that free expression (loon-like or not) is sacrificed.
Nonsense. You don't understand the marketplace of ideas. Free expression is "sacrificed" only if other outlet for expression are silenced. I cannot and would not shut down cypherpunks@einstein.ssz.com, cypherpunks@lne.com, etc. I will invite like-minder C'punks into my virtual living room and encourage them to speak, but not to shouting. You don't want to go there, fine. Stay with the crowd that makes you feel comfortable, but don't talk nonsense about censorship. S a n d y
measl@mfn.org wrote:
Wrong. Nomen has long since placed him/herself into the position of not being taken seriously. Having groups of people who choose to turn a deaf ear is a pretty real negative consequence, IMHO.
There are several Nomens. Some are blithering imbeciles who have somehow been taught to use a remailer, some have something useful to say. -- Steve Furlong Computer Condottiere Have GNU, Will Travel 617-670-3793 "Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly while bad people will find a way around the laws." -- Plato
On Sat, Oct 20, 2001 at 09:15:37AM -0700, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
Hear, hear.
This sort of crap is the inevitable outcome of an unmoderated list. All the loons come out to play because there are no real negative consequences for being a loon. And filtering does not do anything besides bury one's head in the sand.
Then filter them out and send them a forged bounce message at the same time. That way you let them know that you think that they're an idiot yet you don't have to read their mail to do so. I used to do that before I decided that it was ruder than I wanted to be. Procmail will do it.
I have an solution... (no, it's not AP). :'D
I promise, when I get my new business going and have the time/money to devote to it, I will offer Cypherpunks a real solution. (Anybody who has time/money and wants to discuss it now, please contact me offline.)
A real solution allows each person to decide for themselves what information they wish to consume. That doesn't mean that the collective list membership determines what is "interesting", or that an individual or group of individuals determines it for the group. Only individuals can determine that for themselves. For example, some subscribers may be doing a study on net.loons (or might simply find them interesting) and be using the list to collect their, uh, works. If all other list members find net.loons to be waste of time and wish that their posts were dropped, does that make our net.loon fan's preferences invalid? What's needed is tools to make it easier for individuals to find the information they want and skip the rest.
We now return you to the freak show, already in progress.
I don't see all that much of a freak show. Oh yea, I'm just burying my head in the sand by filtering them out.. Eric
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