Re: CDR: i want to build a bomb your nightmare wrote:
hello i want to know how to build a bomb can you send back to me
Send your request to this guy: Jeff.Gordon@tigta.treas.gov he will get you all the details you need. Tell him you know Jim Bell personally and worked with him on "Assasination Politics" and you know Toto from Canada.
Shouldn't the proper reference be "Toto too" instead of "Toto from Canada" ? Has anyone tracked down these goofy requests and compiled some statistics about what the hell they are? BTW - what is the actual law regarding discussing the requested topic ( and related topics ) over various communications media?
On Tue, 6 Mar 2001 mmotyka@lsil.com wrote:
BTW - what is the actual law regarding discussing the requested topic ( and related topics ) over various communications media?
If you're in the US they are completely and utterly legal. ____________________________________________________________________ Before a larger group can see the virtue of an idea, a smaller group must first understand it. "Stranger Suns" George Zebrowski The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage@ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------
On Tue, 6 Mar 2001 mmotyka@lsil.com wrote:
BTW - what is the actual law regarding discussing the requested topic ( and related topics ) over various communications media?
If you're in the US they are completely and utterly legal.
But beware: In the US we no longer have the rule of law. It is now the norm for prosecutors to charge politically incorrect defendants under novel interpretations of old crimes. Thus, for example, if someone on Cypherpunks were to respond to one of these requests with detailed step-by-step instructions for constructing a simple pipe bomb, that person should not be surprised to be facing conspiracy or accessory charges in the event the instructions were followed and the bomb constructed. Despite lacking the criminal intent or criminal "meeting of minds" required to support such charges, a guilty verdict would be unsurprising. No it's not fair, no it's not justice, but there it is. ======================================================= The Law Office of Daniel J. Boone 326 Fourth Avenue, Suite B Juneau, Alaska 99801 (907) 723-9902 djb@gci.net ======================================================= "No man's life, liberty, or property is safe when the legislature is in session." -- Judge Gideon Tucker =======================================================
Somehow I doubt telling somebody to stuff gun powder into a pipe, and carefully wipe the ends this would be interpreted as any sort of aid in and of itself. Hell, Dover prints a book called "Chemical Magic" for $5 that'll provide all you need to get started. Not to mention that if one wanted they can mosey on down to the local bookstore and order "Bombs and Bombings: A Handbook to Detection, Disposal, and Investigation for Police and Fire Depts. (2nd Ed)" by Thomas G. Brodie (ISBN 0-398-06551-9 (hrdbk), 0-398-06552-7 (ppbk)) you could have the fine co-defendent of the FBI to stand trial right beside you (it was used as the training manual at one time). Or you could just go down to your local movie outlet and buy "Fight Club" where they describe how to make Nitro and Dynamite from basic soap. Then you could have the appropriate movie studio, producer, and (hell, go for broke) Brad Pitt to stand right along side of yourself. When the IRS came in and asked me about the instructions I sent to the list the issue was had I ever actually discussed it with CJ (off the list) as he was carrying a copy of my posting when he was arrested (or so I and my lawyer was told). Since that never happened there wasn't shit that could be done about it. My suggestion, use a lawyer with more savy than Mr. Boone. On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Daniel J. Boone wrote:
But beware: In the US we no longer have the rule of law. It is now the norm for prosecutors to charge politically incorrect defendants under novel interpretations of old crimes. Thus, for example, if someone on Cypherpunks were to respond to one of these requests with detailed step-by-step instructions for constructing a simple pipe bomb, that person should not be surprised to be facing conspiracy or accessory charges in the event the instructions were followed and the bomb constructed. Despite lacking the criminal intent or criminal "meeting of minds" required to support such charges, a guilty verdict would be unsurprising. No it's not fair, no it's not justice, but there it is.
======================================================= The Law Office of Daniel J. Boone 326 Fourth Avenue, Suite B Juneau, Alaska 99801 (907) 723-9902 djb@gci.net ======================================================= "No man's life, liberty, or property is safe when the legislature is in session." -- Judge Gideon Tucker =======================================================
____________________________________________________________________ Before a larger group can see the virtue of an idea, a smaller group must first understand it. "Stranger Suns" George Zebrowski The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage@ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------
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