Really-From - Well Known Cypherpunk I'd be happy to be wrong here, but the bet ain't over till the fat lady ships the books. Amazon's promised to accept orders before, and while we're closer to the promised "this time for sure" date than I've seen in the past, it's still just a promise. Meanwhile, if you want to see articles by Tim May, Dorothy Denning, Duncan Frissell, Hakim Bey, Eric Hughes, and Other Well-Known Cypherpunks and fellow-travelers in print, there's an interesting collection isbn://0-262-62151-7 mitpress.mit.edu 2001 "Crypto Anarchy, Cyberstates, and Pirate Utopias" edited by Peter Ludlow On 11/23/2001 - 20:44, Matthew Gaylor wrote:

[Note from Matt: I made a small wager in palladium that Vinge's True Names: And the Opening of the Cyberspace Frontier would be available to order prior to Jan. 1, 2002 with a well known Cypherpunk. And I won. Acct# 101893.]

At 3:03 AM -0700 8/13/01, Well known Cypherpunk wrote:

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Subject: Re: BTW- I'll bet you...

OK - Done deal, if you'll accept the modification that it be orderable and shippable by Amazon or other on-line bookstore within a week after that.

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True Names: And the Opening of the Cyberspace Frontier by Vernor Vinge, James Frenkel (Editor)

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