CDR: A successful lawsuit means Gore wins!
The lawsuit has until January to succeed. The invalid ballot... Listed second: Gore/Lieberman. Second hole punch votes for: Buchanun. Image of invalid ballot: http://www.gopbi.com/news/local/ballot.html http://cnews.tribune.com/news/image/0,1119,oso-nation-82373,00.html The ballot layout was illegal and resulted in a statistically verifiable set of erroneous votes for Bucanun. This is particularly galling to the voting victims, since many are Jewish. See: In article <avram-0811001934590001@manhattan.crossover.com>, Avram Grumer wrote:
This _NY Times_ article has a little more detail: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/politics/AP-ELN-Florida-Ballot-Confusion.htm...
: Florida law specifies that voters mark an X in the blank space : to the right of the name of the candidate they want to vote for. : : Jeff Liggio, a lawyer for county Democrats, called the ballot : illegal. "Right means right, doesn't it? The state law says right. : It doesn't mean left," he said.
At 10:51 PM -0500 11/8/00, George@Orwellian.Org wrote:
The ballot layout was illegal and resulted in a statistically verifiable set of erroneous votes for Bucanun. This is particularly galling to the voting victims, since many are Jewish.
The ballot form was used in past elections, CNN reported today. The ballot was published in newspapers, to let people familiarize themselves with its form. And the head of the voting commission, who approved the ballot's final form, is a Democrat. Ballots are often of different forms. Sometimes a mechanical punch is used, sometimes a Number 2 pencil, sometimes a pen. There cannot be a re-vote of the County, or even of the entire State, as this would distort the forces acting on the electorate in a way never seen before. The Palm County voters would know _they_ would be electing the next president. Billions of dollars would be spent trying to buy each and every voter. And there is no precedent for using "statistics" by Democrat consultants to propose that votes be Buchanan be assigned to Gore. So Gore won't get those votes, and there won't be a County-wide revote. (If there is, I'll help in rigging the dynamite truck .) --Timothy McMay -- ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, "Cyphernomicon" | black markets, collapse of governments.
Maybe the UN will 'supervise' a second election.. maybe Yugoslav election advisors will be used...
----- Original Message ----- From: <George@orwellian.org>
The ballot layout was illegal and resulted in a statistically verifiable set of erroneous votes for Bucanun. This is particularly galling to the voting victims, since many are Jewish.
What? No slight against the Amiga?
(As a followup, I should say I see "RIGHT" in the sample ballot, but that is not a requirement, but a suggestion, and I'd argue the ballots that were used probably have substantially the same form.) -Declan
I haven't found such a requirement in Florida law. See below. -Declan ... In counties where paper ballots are used, each elector shall be given a ballot by the inspector. Before delivering the ballot to the elector, one of the inspectors shall write his or her initials or name on the stub attached to the ballot; then the elector shall, without leaving the polling place, retire alone to a booth or compartment provided, and place an "X" mark after the name of the candidate of his or her choice for each office to be filled, and likewise mark an "X" after the answer he or she desires in case of a constitutional amendment or other question submitted to a vote. ... 101.191 Form of general election ballot.-- (1) The general election ballot shall be in substantially the following form: OFFICIAL BALLOT GENERAL ELECTION No. _____ _____ COUNTY, FLORIDA Precinct No. _____ (Date) (Signature of Voter) (Initials of Issuing Official) Stub No. 1 OFFICIAL BALLOT GENERAL ELECTION No. _____ _____ COUNTY, FLORIDA Precinct No. _____ (Date) (Initials of Issuing Official) Stub No. 2 OFFICIAL BALLOT GENERAL ELECTION _____COUNTY, FLORIDA Precinct No. _____ (Date) TO VOTE for a candidate whose name is printed on the ballot, mark a cross (X) in the blank space at the RIGHT of the name of the candidate for whom you desire to vote. To vote for a candidate whose name is not printed on the ballot, write the candidate's name in the blank space provided for that purpose. ELECTORS For President and Vice President (A vote for the candidates will actually be a vote for their electors) Vote for group DEMOCRATIC (Name of Candidate) For President [ ] (Name of Candidate) For Vice President REPUBLICAN (Name of Candidate) For President [ ] (Name of Candidate) For Vice President (NAME OF MINOR PARTY) (Name of Candidate) For President [ ] (Name of Candidate) For Vice President NO PARTY AFFILIATION (Name of Candidate) For President [ ] (Name of Candidate) For Vice President WRITE-IN For President For Vice President CONGRESSIONAL UNITED STATES SENATOR Vote for One (Name of Candidate) (Party abbreviation) [ ] (Name of Candidate) (Party abbreviation) [ ] (And thence other offices under this heading, followed by the headings and offices as prescribed in s. 101.151.) PROPOSED CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS OR OTHER PUBLIC MEASURES To vote on a constitutional amendment or other public measure, mark a cross (X) in the blank space next to either YES or NO. No. _____ CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT ARTICLE _____, SECTION _____ (Here the wording of the substance of the amendment shall be inserted.) YES for Approval [ ] NO for Rejection [ ] (2) The general election ballot shall be arranged and printed so that the offices of President and Vice President are joined in a single voting space to allow each elector to cast a single vote for the joint candidacies for President and Vice President and so that the offices of Governor and Lieutenant Governor are joined in a single voting space to allow each elector to cast a single vote for the joint candidacies for Governor and Lieutenant Governor.
On Thu, Nov 09, 2000 at 10:38:28AM -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote:
I haven't found such a requirement in Florida law. See below.
-Declan
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In counties where paper ballots are used...
You quoted FL 101.011. However, FL 101.5609 is a much clearer point against the "must be to the right" claims. 101.5609(6): Voting squares may be placed in front of or in back of the names of candidates and statements of questions and shall be of such size as is compatible with the type of system used. Ballots and ballot information shall be printed in a size and style of type as plain and clear as the ballot spaces reasonably permit. Tear-off stubs shall be of a size suitable for the ballots used and for the requirements of the voting device. The ballots may contain special printed marks and holes as required for proper positioning and reading of the ballots by the automatic tabulating equipment. When ballots are bound into pads, they may be bound at the top or bottom or at either side. In the case of the paper ballots, all offices and questions may be printed on the same sheet of paper. On the other hand, I've heard claims that people realized their mistake and tried to get a new ballot but were refused. This is clearly illegal: 101.5608(2)(b) Any voter who spoils his or her ballot or makes an error may return the ballot to the election official and secure another ballot, except that in no case shall a voter be furnished more than three ballots. A spoiled ballot shall be preserved, without examination, in an envelope provided for that purpose. The stub shall be removed from the ballot and placed in an envelope. -- Marc
On Wed, 08 Nov 2000, George@Orwellian.Org wrote:
The lawsuit has until January to succeed.
The invalid ballot... Listed second: Gore/Lieberman. Second hole punch votes for: Buchanun.
Image of invalid ballot: http://www.gopbi.com/news/local/ballot.html http://cnews.tribune.com/news/image/0,1119,oso-nation-82373,00.html
The ballot layout was illegal and resulted in a statistically verifiable set of erroneous votes for Bucanun. This is particularly galling to the voting victims, since many are Jewish.
It was illegal? Amusing. I could stomach 'might be illegal', but illegal? It was put together by a Democrat to make it easier for the old folks. The delicious irony. BTW: I looked at the image and, reading from top to bottom, I get Bush, Buchannon, Gore. I guess Democrats are unfamiliar with those big, fat arrows. If you don't understand what arrows mean you should not be voting. jim
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