mattd: Ahwell! Still if you want to lump stalinists,trots and anarchs together The difference between Stalinists and Trots is that the Trots were from the beginning more extreme, more brutal, and more contemptuous of ordinary Russians. The original point of dispute between Stalin and Trotsky was that Trotsky though Stalin was too soft on the kulaks. The moderate faction in Russia were the Zinovievists. No one outside Russia thought himself a Zinovievist, all identifying with the more extreme, not less extreme, factions of Soviet communism.<<
Spain,jamesd,I thought we were talking about SPAIN! I know a bit about Trotsky's russian background,the betrayal of Makhno and Krondstadt,Its a huge separate issue.Id like to keep this thread a little focused.You are usually very crisp,cool and concise in your posts.Your making extreme statements here.
There once upon a time was difference between those you falsely call anarchists, and the commies<<
Todays anarchs are easy to find at Ainfos and Infoshop and 100's of minor pages.It might pay anyone calling themselves anarcho-whatever to check them out and compare and contrast information.I trust the natural selection of good ideas. There are major differences with real live anarchists and "commies".Trust me on this.I've attacked N.Klein and N.Chompsky myself for playing footsie with the ISO,degenerate MLers.Lump everyone together and you only fool yourself.
but after the incompatibility between anarchism and socialism was demonstrated in 1936-1938<<
By jamesd,sole expert on spanish anarcho-commie-fascism.Yeah right.
the difference vanished. Chomsky illustrates this well. Wherever the masters boot smashes repeatedly into the face of a child, we can always rely on Chomsky to find a good word for the master, and demonize the child as a CIA agent. Chomsky defended the Pol Pot regime in Cambodia, the slave labor camps employed to pacify South Vietnam, rationalized the Soviet reinvasion of Czechoslovakia and Hungary as defence against US aggression, and supported Stalin's attacks on Greece. <<
The truth vanishes when jamesd gets all in a lather.Im not widely read on Chompsky.I recommend his essay "objectivity and liberal scholarship"on Spain and jamesd and whatever else you can find especially Abel Paz,"Durrutti,The People Armed".IF Chompsky did all those other things you accuse him of then he is contemptible but it would not detract at the slightest from his work on Spain.SPAIN,jamesd.SPAIN.SPAIN.SPAIN.Spainful for you?
-- mattd:
Ahwell! Still if you want to lump stalinists,trots and anarchs together
James A. Donald:
The difference between Stalinists and Trots is that the Trots were from the beginning more extreme, more brutal, and more contemptuous of ordinary Russians. The original point of dispute between Stalin and Trotsky was that Trotsky though Stalin was too soft on the kulaks.
mattd:
Spain,jamesd,I thought we were talking about SPAIN! I know a bit about Trotsky's russian background,the betrayal of Makhno and Krondstadt,Its a huge separate issue
The Trots I encountered in Australia seemed remarkably similar to the Trotsky that I found in the history books. Perhaps that is why they called themselves Trotskyists. The story of the Russian radical left is full of hypocrisy, betrayal and murder. The story of the Catalonian radical left is also full of very similar hypocrisy, betrayal and murder, with the added twist that in Catalonia the anarchist nomenclatura was sold by the anarchist leadership into the hands of their enemies.
There are major differences with real live anarchists and "commies".Trust me on this.I've attacked N.Klein and N.Chompsky myself for playing footsie with the ISO,degenerate MLers.Lump everyone together and you only fool yourself.
The differences that seem so big and important from the inside, are small from the outside. I notice that you approvingly cite Huben's FAQ, whose central argument is that the federal government is the rightful owner of everything in the USA. James A. Donald:
but after the incompatibility between anarchism and socialism was demonstrated in 1936-1938
mattd:
By jamesd,sole expert on spanish anarcho-commie-fascism.Yeah right.
The abrupt change in the "anarchist" program after 1938 demonstrates that they saw, you see, what I saw. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG jB0PmUIaq0egQaomYost8N/WXQwLQ7vWjChNRtVg 4IoJwQD5LoOqKXoEqA6+fgJbLj8n2m7OmwdvTBx82
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