Re: Detainees, Personal Libertarianism, and Vengeance
For the past 35 years of my politically awake life, I have found it very clarifying to think of _all_ proposed or existing laws in terms of how it could apply to _me_. Seen this way, I have no problems supporting laws against murder, burglary, or other such crimes.
You're not even being consistent. You yourself have indicated that you would engage in murder of those you viewed to be violating your rights. Even if they have merely inconvenienced you by holding you a few days longer than you thought proper, or not providing enough access to an attorney, you would kill the guards and other low-paid employees who are doing no more than temporarily limiting your freedom of action. In fact, the other day you threatened to murder a reporter who misquoted you; in fact, you further suggested you would torture him and kill his entire family. These are innocent children who never did a thing to you, and you would kill them in cold blood. Only a subhuman animal, devoid of any semblance of morality and decency, would suggest such a thing. "How would you like it," to quote your own words, if after commiting these outrageous crimes, society gave you what you deserved? Would you enjoy being put on trial for your life? Being sentenced to life imprisonment or death? How can you support laws against murder, while threatening that action at every turn? Of course, the alternative is that you are pathetic liar, a pitiful blowhard whose bombast is his only hope of concealing his fears and inadequacies. You have no intention of killing anyone, which is why you don't bother with consistency in your impotent rants. The narcissism description fit you to a tee. All you want is attention, like an immature child. What a loser.
On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 01:00:12AM +0200, Nomen Nescio wrote:
In fact, the other day you threatened to murder a reporter who misquoted you; in fact, you further suggested you would torture him and kill his entire family. These are innocent children who never did a thing to you, and you would kill them in cold blood. Only a subhuman animal, devoid of any semblance of morality and decency, would suggest such a thing.
I remember that post Tim made. I hope it was, and expect it was, hyperbole. Torturing and murdering the innocent children of someone who may -- let's even stipulate a moment of malice -- have written an article that misquoted you is not exactly behavior that civilized society should applaud. -Declan
On Wednesday, October 17, 2001, at 08:59 PM, Declan McCullagh wrote:
On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 01:00:12AM +0200, Nomen Nescio wrote:
In fact, the other day you threatened to murder a reporter who misquoted you; in fact, you further suggested you would torture him and kill his entire family. These are innocent children who never did a thing to you, and you would kill them in cold blood. Only a subhuman animal, devoid of any semblance of morality and decency, would suggest such a thing.
I remember that post Tim made. I hope it was, and expect it was, hyperbole.
Torturing and murdering the innocent children of someone who may -- let's even stipulate a moment of malice -- have written an article that misquoted you is not exactly behavior that civilized society should applaud.
Both of you are using my comments out of context, Nomen much more so. I threatened no reporter, despite what Nomen says above. I phrased it as "you can always tell them...." This is a standard hypothetical. The complete quote is below: --begin-- You can always tell them that if they willfully and substantively misquote you, you will visit their home, wait until they are are away, kill their wife and children, wait until they return home, force them to the floor at gunpoint, put tape around their mouth and nylon tie wraps around their hands, let them see what has been done to their family, let them think about it for 10 minutes, then put tape over their nose and wait for them to suffocate. The danger is in telling them. It may be best to not tell them, but then to carry out punishment some appropriate time later. --end-- However, I continue to be amused that Sandy, Seth, John, and poor Nomen are all predicting that I'm about to be arrested. --Tim May "Extremism in the pursuit of liberty is no vice."--Barry Goldwater
C'punks, Tim May wrote:
Both of you [Declan McCullagh and "Nomen Nescio"] are using my comments out of context...
He further wrote:
However, I continue to be amused that Sandy, Seth, John, and poor Nomen are all predicting that I'm about to be arrested.
As long as we are setting the record straight, I have to correct Tim's comments made out of context. I have never predicted that he was about to be arrested. S a n d y
participants (4)
-
Declan McCullagh -
Nomen Nescio -
Sandy Sandfort -
Tim May