Censorship: state bans games that kill pigs
http://money.cnn.com/2003/04/18/commentary/game_over/column_gaming/index.htm Wash. to ban 'violent' game sales State law will levy $500 fines to anyone selling Grand Theft Auto to children. ... The bill passed the Senate 47-7 and is expected to be signed into law by Gov. Gary Locke. Rather than targeting games based on their ratings, the bill specifically mentions those that depict violence against law enforcement officials. We are all reporters, we are all book sellers. We are all first class objects. --Tim May --- And from the Ministry of Irony: WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Bush administration has warned the Iranian government to stay out of Iraq and not interfere with the country http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/04/23/sprj.irq.war.main/index.html
At 2003-04-25 20:07 +0000, Thomas Shaddack wrote:
Wash. to ban 'violent' game sales State law will levy $500 fines to anyone selling Grand Theft Auto to children.
I think I know what will become the #1 CD of school playground "swap meetings".
Don't forget zero tolerance. If caught, they'll be suspended or expelled or transferred. I've never understood the concept of expulsion from public school before age 16. "You must go to school" then "you must not go to school" seems rather silly to me. I guess it's better to have them running around neighborhoods in gangs with real guns than going to school and using chicken strips to shoot at teachers. About the cd swapping, maybe their parents will go to jail, too. That's going to be really productive for shaping the child's or young teen's perception of society. -- Freedom's untidy, and free people are free to make mistakes and commit crimes and do bad things. They're also free to live their lives and do wonderful things. --Defense Secretariat, 2003-04-11
On Friday, April 25, 2003, at 02:02 PM, Justin wrote:
At 2003-04-25 20:07 +0000, Thomas Shaddack wrote:
Wash. to ban 'violent' game sales State law will levy $500 fines to anyone selling Grand Theft Auto to children.
I think I know what will become the #1 CD of school playground "swap meetings".
Don't forget zero tolerance. If caught, they'll be suspended or expelled or transferred. I've never understood the concept of expulsion from public school before age 16. "You must go to school" then "you must not go to school" seems rather silly to me. I guess it's better to have them running around neighborhoods in gangs with real guns than going to school and using chicken strips to shoot at teachers. About the cd swapping, maybe their parents will go to jail, too. That's going to be really productive for shaping the child's or young teen's perception of society.
I have wondered what happens when a 14-year-old kid is picked up for truancy at the shopping mall and then explains that he was kicked out of school. As for putting more and more people in prison, this is what happens when prisons become corporate owned-and-operated profit centers and when the same folks who profit from the destruction of Iraq and then the lucrative rebuilding of Iraq are the ones launching the wars and ordering the rebuilding. As one of the noted fascists said, "Fascism _is_ corporatism." --Tim May
On Sat, Apr 26, 2003 at 10:19:27AM -0700, Tim May wrote:
I have wondered what happens when a 14-year-old kid is picked up for truancy at the shopping mall and then explains that he was kicked out of school.
I'm wondering what the actual laws are across the country. I know when we lived in MN, state law said the kids only had to attend one day every fortnight to not be considered truant. That's how we were able to homeschool before it began to be allowed by the state.
As for putting more and more people in prison, this is what happens when prisons become corporate owned-and-operated profit centers and
But, but, but -- isn't that the libertarian dream, to privatise all gov't functions? 8-)
when the same folks who profit from the destruction of Iraq and then the lucrative rebuilding of Iraq are the ones launching the wars and ordering the rebuilding.
Amazing how much of the "military" is now privatized. Even their training, from what I've read.
As one of the noted fascists said, "Fascism _is_ corporatism."
Yup.
--Tim May
-- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com
On Sat, 26 Apr 2003, Harmon Seaver wrote:
As for putting more and more people in prison, this is what happens when prisons become corporate owned-and-operated profit centers and
But, but, but -- isn't that the libertarian dream, to privatise all gov't functions? 8-)
Tim's practicing his backpedaling.
As one of the noted fascists said, "Fascism _is_ corporatism."
Yup.
Nope. -- ____________________________________________________________________ We are all interested in the future for that is where you and I are going to spend the rest of our lives. Criswell, "Plan 9 from Outer Space" ravage@ssz.com jchoate@open-forge.org www.ssz.com www.open-forge.org --------------------------------------------------------------------
On Sat, 26 Apr 2003, Tim May wrote:
As one of the noted fascists said, "Fascism _is_ corporatism."
As usual you get it ass backwards. Corporatism is fascism, fascism can and does exist without profit motives. Though, irrespective of actual motive, the fundamental human drive is 'fear' and inability to deal with it in a healthy emotional way. Seeing profit as the end instead of a means is the fundamental error of -all- CACL views. -- ____________________________________________________________________ We are all interested in the future for that is where you and I are going to spend the rest of our lives. Criswell, "Plan 9 from Outer Space" ravage@ssz.com jchoate@open-forge.org www.ssz.com www.open-forge.org --------------------------------------------------------------------
On Fri, 25 Apr 2003, Justin wrote:
Don't forget zero tolerance. If caught, they'll be suspended or expelled or transferred.
Digital media have an advantage over drugs. They don't smell, can't be sniffed, a piss test won't reveal you played a "wrong" game, and you can store an ISO image in your iPod. Makes things more difficult to enforce. Another advantage is that the digital media could replace the drugs as "forbidden fruit", which is more healthy. Also, crackdowns on game-swappers could be perceived by public in much different way - while the Society is conditioned for decades that Drugs Are Bad, this is about "just silly games". With good management, this could be used to find public support for "zero tolerance to zero tolerance". A guerrila tactics, of maneuvering kids of local officials into stings, could make things interesting as well; kind of similar to planting books in the houses of firemen in Fahrenheit 451.
I've never understood the concept of expulsion from public school before age 16. "You must go to school" then "you must not go to school" seems rather silly to me.
Cultural question: I never understood the concept of expulsion. How it works, why it is used? We never had it here (.cz). Can't it be one of the factors our juvenile criminality is quite lower?
I guess it's better to have them running around neighborhoods in gangs with real guns than going to school and using chicken strips to shoot at teachers.
Suuuuuure. (We used the tubes from one kind of mechanical pencil as the guns and little paper balls as the ammo. Especially good if the target had dark hair and a certain kind of hairdo where they stuck.)
About the cd swapping, maybe their parents will go to jail, too.
By what twist of law? Nobody can supervise ther children 24/7, not when the corporations are squeezing more and more "productivity" (read: work hours) from them.
That's going to be really productive for shaping the child's or young teen's perception of society.
Will teach them to hide their activities from the eyes of the ones with power. Could be the most useful thing they learn at school...
Wash. to ban 'violent' book sales State law will levy $500 fines to anyone selling violent books to those under 21, or those adjudged violent, or those on a list..... ... The bill passed the Senate 47-7 and is expected to be signed into law by
This is not of course the actual text of the story, but it could be. We are getting closer and closer with each passing year to wholesale bans on writings, on expressed thoughts, on art, on music. The principle is the same. When a state actor claims to be able to ban speech, whether in books or magazines or video games, those involved should be dealt with appropriately. Trusting the courts is not enough. The Courts, including the Supreme Court, are themselves deeply implicated in unconstitutional police state measures. --Tim May "That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms." --Samuel Adams
Major Variola (ret) wrote on April 25th, 2003 at 10:54:38 -0700:
http://money.cnn.com/2003/04/18/commentary/game_over/column_ga ming/index.htm
Wash. to ban 'violent' game sales State law will levy $500 fines to anyone selling Grand Theft Auto to children. ... The bill passed the Senate 47-7 and is expected to be signed into law by
Gov. Gary Locke. Rather than targeting games based on their ratings, the
bill specifically mentions those that depict violence against law enforcement officials.
I look forward to purchasing _Grand Theft Auto: Vice City_ for the PC. It's good to teach kids how to snipe and kill Police State enforcers. BTW: Is Governor Gary Locke gasoline or diesel? -- Tom Veil
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