Re: Overestimating your importance (Was: Re: CDR: Re: Underestimating long-term consequences of cryptoanarchy)
"I haven't added you next to Choate and profv yet, as you sometimes have a point, but keep working it, and the cost of your postings will outweigh the utility of reading them. Will you then rant about Jamie's killfile?" Well I had two reasons for saying this. First of all, May suggested I stop posting due to the fact that I had "nothing to say". Well, even if that's true, he seems to be exposed to only pieces of my posts that get quoted by others, and in this particular case out of context. So if he's going to suggest I have nothing to say while I am supposedly in his kill file, then it's fair game for me to point out that from his vantage point he can only be full of crap. The next point has to do with him (again) telling me not to post. And from what I can tell, most of the people who've been around for a while and are regular posters have been 'plonked' by the King of the Anarchists, Mr May. That leaves only newer people who either don't have an opinion on anything, or who don't post, or who don't disagree with him. (OK, maybe there are exceptions...) So again I get the distinct impression that Mr May is verbally trying to suppress minds that have any opinion that he didn't already give them. And that's OK, as long as he doesn't try it on me. -TD
From: Jamie Lawrence <jal@jal.org> To: cypherpunks@minder.net Subject: Overestimating your importance (Was: Re: CDR: Re: Underestimating long-term consequences of cryptoanarchy) Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 13:12:49 -0500
On Wed, 07 May 2003, Tyler Durden wrote:
PS: How long, on average, after someone signs onto the list does it take for you to 'plonk' them? I guess this means you need a constant supply of "fresh meat" in order for you to find out what's being discussed!
OK, you're being a crank now.
I've been on the list from one address or another since 1993, have had some fights with Tim, and (so far as I know) never been killfiled by him.
I usually only post when I have something to say, which may have something to do with that.
And if I were included, who cares? why are cranks so interested in the contents of Tim's killfile? I suppose I don't understand the desire to dance at the edge of a given poster's range of annoyance.
I can't speak for Tim, but ranting about list politics is something that gets you into *my* procmailrc rather quickly. I haven't added you next to Choate and profv yet, as you sometimes have a point, but keep working it, and the cost of your postings will outweigh the utility of reading them. Will you then rant about Jamie's killfile?
-j
-- Jamie Lawrence jal@jal.org Computer Science is Applied Philosophy.
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On Wed, 07 May 2003, Tyler Durden wrote:
"I haven't added you next to Choate and profv yet, as you sometimes have a point, but keep working it, and the cost of your postings will outweigh the utility of reading them. Will you then rant about Jamie's killfile?"
OK, I was dumb enough to post, so I owe you a reply.
Well I had two reasons for saying this. First of all, May suggested I stop posting due to the fact that I had "nothing to say". Well, even if that's true, he seems to be exposed to only pieces of my posts that get quoted by others, and in this particular case out of context. So if he's going to suggest I have nothing to say while I am supposedly in his kill file, then it's fair game for me to point out that from his vantage point he can only be full of crap.
Bob the drunk bumb outside of my local store suggested that you bugger children, and leak Amex secrets to competitors. Are you pissed at him, too?
The next point has to do with him (again) telling me not to post. And from what I can tell, most of the people who've been around for a while and are regular posters have been 'plonked' by the King of the Anarchists, Mr May. That leaves only newer people who either don't have an opinion on anything, or who don't post, or who don't disagree with him. (OK, maybe there are exceptions...) So again I get the distinct impression that Mr May is verbally trying to suppress minds that have any opinion that he didn't already give them. And that's OK, as long as he doesn't try it on me.
I hereby command you to never say the word "monkey", nor to reference the creatures in any way. Are you going to rant at me now, because I "verbally tr[ied] to suppress minds", presumably one belonging to you? Tim can be a jerk. So can I. Why are you so excited about him? Move on, or join the trolls. -j -- Jamie Lawrence jal@jal.org Helpful Hint: Unbreakable toys can be used to break other toys.
"Well, even if that's true, he seems to be exposed to only pieces of my posts that get quoted by others, and in this particular case out of context." This is always happening to me. I can never follow the discussions as I only recieve the quoted materials. Is there some other list I should be signed up for as well? PG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tyler Durden" <camera_lumina@hotmail.com> To: <jal@jal.org>; <cypherpunks@minder.net> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 3:03 PM Subject: Re: Overestimating your importance (Was: Re: CDR: Re: Underestimating long-term consequences of cryptoanarchy)
"I haven't added you next to Choate and profv yet, as you sometimes have a point, but keep working it, and the cost of your postings will outweigh the utility of reading them. Will you then rant about Jamie's killfile?"
Well I had two reasons for saying this. First of all, May suggested I stop posting due to the fact that I had "nothing to say". Well, even if that's true, he seems to be exposed to only pieces of my posts that get quoted by others, and in this particular case out of context. So if he's going to suggest I have nothing to say while I am supposedly in his kill file, then it's fair game for me to point out that from his vantage point he can only be full of crap.
The next point has to do with him (again) telling me not to post. And from what I can tell, most of the people who've been around for a while and are regular posters have been 'plonked' by the King of the Anarchists, Mr May. That leaves only newer people who either don't have an opinion on anything, or who don't post, or who don't disagree with him. (OK, maybe there are exceptions...) So again I get the distinct impression that Mr May is verbally trying to suppress minds that have any opinion that he didn't already give them. And that's OK, as long as he doesn't try it on me.
-TD
From: Jamie Lawrence <jal@jal.org> To: cypherpunks@minder.net Subject: Overestimating your importance (Was: Re: CDR: Re: Underestimating long-term consequences of cryptoanarchy) Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 13:12:49 -0500
On Wed, 07 May 2003, Tyler Durden wrote:
PS: How long, on average, after someone signs onto the list does it take for you to 'plonk' them? I guess this means you need a constant supply of "fresh meat" in order for you to find out what's being discussed!
OK, you're being a crank now.
I've been on the list from one address or another since 1993, have had some fights with Tim, and (so far as I know) never been killfiled by him.
I usually only post when I have something to say, which may have something to do with that.
And if I were included, who cares? why are cranks so interested in the contents of Tim's killfile? I suppose I don't understand the desire to dance at the edge of a given poster's range of annoyance.
I can't speak for Tim, but ranting about list politics is something that gets you into *my* procmailrc rather quickly. I haven't added you next to Choate and profv yet, as you sometimes have a point, but keep working it, and the cost of your postings will outweigh the utility of reading them. Will you then rant about Jamie's killfile?
-j
-- Jamie Lawrence jal@jal.org Computer Science is Applied Philosophy.
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On Wednesday 07 May 2003 16:50, Philip Gardner wrote:
"Well, even if that's true, he seems to be exposed to only pieces of my posts that get quoted by others, and in this particular case out of context."
This is always happening to me. I can never follow the discussions as I only recieve the quoted materials. Is there some other list I should be signed up for as well?
You can subscribe to Jim Choate's node, which is unmoderated and unfiltered. Go to http://einstein.ssz.com/cdr for info. Be warned: If you've been reading the cypherpunks feed from a filtered list (I don't know if Minder is filtered or not), you'll be in for an unpleasant surprise. There aren't _that_ many out-and-out idiots posting to the list, but what their posts lack in quality they more that make up with quantity. And there are lots of ass-wipes who sign up cypherpunks nodes for all sorts of spam lists. Before you subscribe to an unfiltered list, compare the inet-one cpunks archive (http://www.inet-one.com/cypherpunks/) to the archive I maintain (http://archives.abditum.com/cypherpunks/). inet-one archives an unfiltered feed. I archive LNE's filtered feed. (Note: as of ten seconds ago, inet-one's site is temporarily down. It's been a while since I visited, so I don't know how temporary "temporarily" is.) SRF -- Steve Furlong Computer Condottiere Have GNU, Will Travel Guns will get you through times of no duct tape better than duct tape will get you through times of no guns. -- Ron Kuby
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