grarpamp:

Given that these services are surely coming in force... and from directions that see these networks more as a raw transport than say, primarily for the purposes outlined on their respective web pages... it seems the usual echo of "we're a nice project, don't do that, too much load" may not be useful. This should not imply fault, but merely suggest that it's dated and hopeless.

I tend to agree but I am not sure. At the moment I don't believe the Tor project will die soon. It's fine with me if we can continue use it for anonymous browsing, circumvention and so on for the next years. It's also questionable if the Tor project should try to get a big share of the people interested in anonymous p2p. I tend to think no, because this opens up the project for a lot negative press. That increases the risk for a new law to forbid the whole network in even more countries. Let other networks try that out.

P2P services should look at the current strong anonymization projects that could provide transport. The ones I know of are:

http://www.i2p2.de/ https://code.google.com/p/phantom/ https://www.torproject.org/

More links are welcome.

Loads of links here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_P2P A very interesting idea is/was the owner free filesystem: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OFFSystem Depending on ones individual threat model, I believe i2p could be sufficiently secure for file sharing purposes: http://www.i2p2.de/ I didn't make an academic comparison, but it looks like retroshare is quickly gaining more and more users: http://retroshare.sourceforge.net/ _______________________________________________ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE