Dave, In April 2004, President Bush made a seemingly direct and unequivocal statement regarding U.S. wiretapping policies in the fight against terrorism. We now know that he spoke these words after authorizing the NSA warrantless wiretapping program. You can hear his comments for yourself in this very short video: http://www.vortex.com/bv/wiretaps.wmv (Windows Media) The White House explanation for this seemingly gaping discrepancy is that the President was supposedly (we're now told) only talking about "ordinary" secret wiretaps under the PATRIOT Act, not about what we might call "Double Secret" NSA wiretaps (legal or not). Newspeak is alive and well. Dean Wormer of "Animal House" fame would be proud. --Lauren-- Lauren Weinstein lauren@pfir.org or lauren@vortex.com or lauren@eepi.org Tel: +1 (818) 225-2800 http://www.pfir.org/lauren Co-Founder, PFIR - People For Internet Responsibility - http://www.pfir.org Co-Founder, EEPI - Electronic Entertainment Policy Initiative - http://www.eepi.org Moderator, PRIVACY Forum - http://www.vortex.com Member, ACM Committee on Computers and Public Policy Lauren's Blog: http://lauren.vortex.com DayThink: http://daythink.vortex.com ------------------------------------- You are subscribed as eugen@leitl.org To manage your subscription, go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ip Archives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/ ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature which had a name of signature.asc]