Jim, I appreciate your resistance. Still, our experience on Cryptome with offering only URLs indicates that they are little used unless there's a taste of what is worth going to see. No doubt that it would be easiest to give only URLs and let the lazy bastards graze readers-digest crap elsewhere. But it's not the deadheads we'd like to swap info with, for they never give back enough to make it worthwhile -- usually the shits just send more URLs without explanation as if we can read their profound thoughts. What we've found is that if you treat your readers with respect they'll give it to you, even send you stuff you'd never see otherwise. That is, they'll inform you and educate you in ways you can't do alone, though that shared experience isn't for everyone, I'll grant you, in particular when you want only to talk and preach and not listen and learn. So we've found that the better we make our samples the more likely readers will figure we're offering something worth reading, and if they like it they'll eventually return the favor, and if we're lucky we get better than we offer -- indeed, that is always the case: the best stuff comes in from folks who figure they'd like to take part in a mutually rewarding situation, as we see on cypherpunks. URLs alone send a message of laziness, contempt, cluelessness about the benefits of communication as against dancing castaway on an island. For that solo shit you don't need CDR, the Net, the world, or think you don't until the radio farts coming from your ass are only cancer static.
On Sat, 4 Aug 2001, John Young wrote:
What we've found is that if you treat your readers with respect they'll give it to you, even send you stuff you'd never see otherwise. That is,
Obviously you don't deal with the likes of Sandfort... -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin@mfn.org If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... --------------------------------------------------------------------
Terranson wrote:
On Sat, 4 Aug 2001, John Young wrote:
What we've found is that if you treat your readers with respect they'll give it to you, even send you stuff you'd never see otherwise. That is,
Obviously you don't deal with the likes of Sandfort...
Your personal animus is showing again, Jimmy. Actually, John and I have interacted--sometimes in agreement and sometimes not. I won't speak for John, but I still have the utmost respect for him--even when I disagree with him or he pisses me off. You, on the other hand... Well, let's just say, you're no John Young. S a n d y
On Sat, 4 Aug 2001, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
Terranson wrote:
On Sat, 4 Aug 2001, John Young wrote:
What we've found is that if you treat your readers with respect they'll give it to you, even send you stuff you'd never see otherwise. That is,
Obviously you don't deal with the likes of Sandfort...
Your personal animus is showing again, Jimmy.
Actually, John and I have interacted--sometimes in agreement and sometimes not. I won't speak for John, but I still have the utmost respect for him--even when I disagree with him or he pisses me off.
You, on the other hand... Well, let's just say, you're no John Young.
S a n d y
To be held in low regard by you is a badge of honor Sandfort. I will treasure it always. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin@mfn.org If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... --------------------------------------------------------------------
See, we can reach consensus on Cypherpunks! ;'D
-----Original Message----- From: measl@mfn.org [mailto:measl@mfn.org] Sent: 04 August, 2001 13:31 To: Sandy Sandfort Cc: cypherpunks@lne.com Subject: RE: Slashdot | Roasting Sacred Cows
On Sat, 4 Aug 2001, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
Terranson wrote:
On Sat, 4 Aug 2001, John Young wrote:
What we've found is that if you treat your readers with respect they'll give it to you, even send you stuff you'd never see otherwise. That is,
Obviously you don't deal with the likes of Sandfort...
Your personal animus is showing again, Jimmy.
Actually, John and I have interacted--sometimes in agreement and sometimes not. I won't speak for John, but I still have the utmost respect for him--even when I disagree with him or he pisses me off.
You, on the other hand... Well, let's just say, you're no John Young.
S a n d y
To be held in low regard by you is a badge of honor Sandfort. I will treasure it always.
-- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin@mfn.org
If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.
The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... --------------------------------------------------------------------
Obviously you don't deal with the likes of Sandfort...
Well, I missed the golden days of alleged army-grade mules here, but since summer 94 there's been nobody posting to cpunks who was intolerable all the time or tolerable all the time either. There are fewer tolerable than intolerable but that's the nature of this sulphurous waterhole. You drink here and you go nuts, thinking you got smarter than the others, feel the urge to shape up the fools. You got to expect that the longer you read this list the more your mind and ethics degrade. But that's better than those lists where the opposite is futilely promised. The best lists go downhill without end, abandon all attempts to improve themselves, accept scum that remain -- all too human. Barroom brawling produces no winners only scars and cauliflowers. Gentlepersons just watch and tut-tut in lengthy essays on what the world is descending to, then vote for more regulation and policing for everyone except them and their vile secret practices. Too late to be an outsider, hanging above the fray like an angel, that option disappeared with the compulsive need for appreciation, the snake bit the angel overdosing on conceit of knowledge. Omniscient God hates his adoring children knowing the suck-ups thoroughly as chips off. One of the godly features of this Styx is the violent reaction against manipulative praise, especially if it is not aimed at your proffered graven image. You want to screw someone here just tell them how much you appreciate their contributions. Lie.
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