|------------------------- Failed addresses follow: ---------------------| accesspt.north.net!brettm ... loop detection: maximum hop count exceeded |------------------------- Message text follows: ------------------------| Received: from uunorth.uucp by uunorth.north.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0oNUVi-0001dLC; Tue, 3 Aug 93 18:07 EDT Received: from uunorth.uucp by uunorth.north.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0oNUTS-0001b8C; Tue, 3 Aug 93 18:04 EDT Received: from uunorth.uucp by uunorth.north.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0oNURC-0001dKC; Tue, 3 Aug 93 18:02 EDT Received: from uunorth.uucp by uunorth.north.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0oNUOM-0001b8C; Tue, 3 Aug 93 17:59 EDT Received: from uunorth.uucp by uunorth.north.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0oNULt-0001c8C; Tue, 3 Aug 93 17:57 EDT Received: from uunorth.uucp by uunorth.north.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0oNUJT-0001c8C; Tue, 3 Aug 93 17:54 EDT Received: from uunorth.uucp by uunorth.north.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0oNUH5-0001c7C; Tue, 3 Aug 93 17:52 EDT Received: from uunorth.uucp by uunorth.north.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0oNUEY-0001c7C; Tue, 3 Aug 93 17:49 EDT Received: from uunorth.uucp by uunorth.north.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0oNUBz-0001b8C; Tue, 3 Aug 93 17:46 EDT Received: from uunorth.uucp by uunorth.north.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0oNU9a-0001b8C; Tue, 3 Aug 93 17:44 EDT Received: from uunorth.uucp by uunorth.north.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0oNU79-0001c7C; Tue, 3 Aug 93 17:41 EDT Received: from uunorth.uucp by uunorth.north.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0oNTpc-0001c7C; Tue, 3 Aug 93 17:23 EDT Received: from uunorth.uucp by uunorth.north.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0oNTnB-0001c8C; Tue, 3 Aug 93 17:21 EDT Received: from uunorth.uucp by uunorth.north.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0oNTka-0001c8C; Tue, 3 Aug 93 17:18 EDT Received: from uunorth.uucp by uunorth.north.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0oNTiB-0001c8C; Tue, 3 Aug 93 17:15 EDT Received: from uunorth.uucp by uunorth.north.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0oNTfX-0001c8C; Tue, 3 Aug 93 17:13 EDT Received: from uunorth.uucp by uunorth.north.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0oNTcu-0001c8C; Tue, 3 Aug 93 17:10 EDT Received: from uunorth.uucp by uunorth.north.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0oNTaB-0001c7C; Tue, 3 Aug 93 17:07 EDT Received: from uunorth.uucp by uunorth.north.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0oNTXp-0001c7C; Tue, 3 Aug 93 17:05 EDT Received: from uunorth.uucp by uunorth.north.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0oNTVY-0001c8C; Tue, 3 Aug 93 17:02 EDT Received: from netcom.com by uunorth.north.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0oNJFk-0001eWC; Tue, 3 Aug 93 06:05 EDT Received: from toad.com by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA26190; Tue, 3 Aug 93 06:06:28 -0400 Received: by toad.com id AA20888; Tue, 3 Aug 93 02:57:42 PDT Received: by toad.com id AA20824; Tue, 3 Aug 93 02:55:25 PDT Return-Path: <bart@netcom.com> Received: from netcom5.netcom.com ([192.100.81.113]) by toad.com id AA20820; Tue, 3 Aug 93 02:55:23 PDT Received: by netcom5.netcom.com (5.65/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id AA27451; Tue, 3 Aug 93 02:56:11 -0700 From: bart@netcom.com (Harry Bartholomew) Message-Id: <9308030956.AA27451@netcom5.netcom.com> Subject: Other shoe drop confirmation To: cypherpunks@toad.com Date: Tue, 3 Aug 93 2:56:10 PDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Well, somebody else heard the story as I did. Bart

From netcom.com!csus.edu!decwrl!decwrl!spool.mu.edu!agate!library.ucla.edu!ddsw1!uunet!news.claremont.edu!ucivax!ucla-cs!gast Tue Aug 3 02:52:20 1993 Newsgroups: alt.privacy.clipper Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!decwrl!decwrl!spool.mu.edu!agate!library.ucla.edu!ddsw1!uunet!news.claremont.edu!ucivax!ucla-cs!gast From: gast@cs.ucla.edu Subject: FBI wants to ban Crypto Message-ID: <1993Aug3.012316.9036@cs.ucla.edu> Originator: gast@oahu.cs.ucla.edu Sender: usenet@cs.ucla.edu (Mr Usenet) Nntp-Posting-Host: oahu.cs.ucla.edu Reply-To: gast@CS.UCLA.EDU (David Gast) Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Distribution: alt Date: Tue, 3 Aug 93 01:23:16 GMT Lines: 10

I just heard a little of the report on NPR on Saturday, but it seems that the FBI went public last week at a security conference with its desires to ban cryptography, at least crypto that it cannot break. The FBI said that in four different wiretap cases, it got encrypted messages instead of talk. I know that the FBI has previously announced similar plans including at CFP-2, but this seems to be a new salvo. David --