CDR: RE: A successful lawsuit means Gore wins!
There cannot be a re-vote of the County, or even of the entire State, as this would distort the forces acting on the electorate in a way never seen before. The Palm County voters would know _they_ would be electing the next president. Billions of dollars would be spent trying to buy each and every voter.
"distort the forces ..." Lord! No! Don't let them do that! Geez, Tim. What happened to personal responsibility? Who gives two bits what "forces" will be upon them. They will ultimately still have to cast a vote which they were casting just days earlier. Who cares if idiots spend billions to sway a few thousand votes. That's THEIR problem. It's free speech, as you have claimed in the past. I still don't get this uproar over re-doing something that was fishy. Who's rights are being trampled upon by this? Ern
At 8:57 PM -0800 11/8/00, Ernest Hua wrote:
There cannot be a re-vote of the County, or even of the entire State, as this would distort the forces acting on the electorate in a way never seen before. The Palm County voters would know _they_ would be electing the next president. Billions of dollars would be spent trying to buy each and every voter.
"distort the forces ..." Lord! No! Don't let them do that!
Geez, Tim. What happened to personal responsibility? Who gives two bits what "forces" will be upon them. They will ultimately still have to cast a vote which they were casting just days earlier. Who cares if idiots spend billions to sway a few thousand votes. That's THEIR problem. It's free speech, as you have claimed in the past.
You're a complete idiot if you don't understand this point. I made my points, briefly, above. This would not be a matter of the same voters simply recasting their same ballots. Think about it. (I'm not convinced you can, Ernest. In reading hundreds of your posts I have concluded that you're just part of Vinge's "Slow Zone.") --Tim May -- ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, "Cyphernomicon" | black markets, collapse of governments.
It would be simpler, and probably fairer (in a general sense) to discard those ballots that are suspect. Elections such as this should not be re-run. Take it down to its most general form. Gore and Bush are tied. My ballot was mangled during processing and is unreadable; I successfully sue for a rerun of the election, just for my ballot alone. Is this a good thing? -Declan On Wed, Nov 08, 2000 at 09:28:29PM -0800, Tim May wrote:
At 8:57 PM -0800 11/8/00, Ernest Hua wrote:
There cannot be a re-vote of the County, or even of the entire State, as this would distort the forces acting on the electorate in a way never seen before. The Palm County voters would know _they_ would be electing the next president. Billions of dollars would be spent trying to buy each and every voter.
"distort the forces ..." Lord! No! Don't let them do that!
Geez, Tim. What happened to personal responsibility? Who gives two bits what "forces" will be upon them. They will ultimately still have to cast a vote which they were casting just days earlier. Who cares if idiots spend billions to sway a few thousand votes. That's THEIR problem. It's free speech, as you have claimed in the past.
You're a complete idiot if you don't understand this point.
I made my points, briefly, above. This would not be a matter of the same voters simply recasting their same ballots. Think about it.
(I'm not convinced you can, Ernest. In reading hundreds of your posts I have concluded that you're just part of Vinge's "Slow Zone.")
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At 10:42 AM 11/9/00 -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote:
It would be simpler, and probably fairer (in a general sense) to discard those ballots that are suspect. Elections such as this should not be re-run.
Take it down to its most general form. Gore and Bush are tied. My ballot was mangled during processing and is unreadable; I successfully sue for a rerun of the election, just for my ballot alone. Is this a good thing?
There are at least two problems with that 0) That's what happened now, and nobody likes it :-) 1) The ballots that appear to have been misvoted, about 19000 of them, disproportionately appear to have been for Gore, and not for Bush, so it seriously biases the results in that district. You could avoid this by voiding _all_ Presidential votes from the district. 2) The district itself is heavily Democrat, so voiding all their votes doesn't fix the imbalance either. Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart@pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639
On Thu, 9 Nov 2000, Declan McCullagh wrote:
It would be simpler, and probably fairer (in a general sense) to discard those ballots that are suspect. Elections such as this should not be re-run.
That's in infaction of the voters civil liberty. To throw away a vote because the groups managing the election screwed up is the wrong answer.
Take it down to its most general form. Gore and Bush are tied. My ballot was mangled during processing and is unreadable; I successfully sue for a rerun of the election, just for my ballot alone. Is this a good thing?
As a citizen you have a RIGHT to have a counted vote, convenience with respect to the organizers isn't an issue. This, "it's hard, or inconvenient, or it's expensive, so let's don't do it" is bullshit socialism when it comes to the rights of citizens, even individual ones. ____________________________________________________________________ He is able who thinks he is able. Buddha The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage@ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------
Socialist? Hmm. I guess I'm not just a voting-fetishist. :) -Declan Thu, Nov 09, 2000 at 03:51:04PM -0600, Jim Choate wrote:
On Thu, 9 Nov 2000, Declan McCullagh wrote:
It would be simpler, and probably fairer (in a general sense) to discard those ballots that are suspect. Elections such as this should not be re-run.
That's in infaction of the voters civil liberty. To throw away a vote because the groups managing the election screwed up is the wrong answer.
Take it down to its most general form. Gore and Bush are tied. My ballot was mangled during processing and is unreadable; I successfully sue for a rerun of the election, just for my ballot alone. Is this a good thing?
As a citizen you have a RIGHT to have a counted vote, convenience with respect to the organizers isn't an issue.
This, "it's hard, or inconvenient, or it's expensive, so let's don't do it" is bullshit socialism when it comes to the rights of citizens, even individual ones.
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