Re: FBI considers torture as suspects stay silent
Declan McCullagh <declan@well.com> wrote :
On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 08:50:01PM -0700, Tim May wrote:
Yes, but this is one of those manufactured, utterly implausible situations. I cannot think of a single instance where a suspect had this kind of knowledge, with this kind of stakes, and with this kind of "next three hours" timetable. Even relaxing each item by a factor of 10...I can't think of any such examples.
Neither can I. My intention was not to suggest that it's acceptable to rip out the accused's toenails, slowly, but to suggest that this is the kind of scenario that we may hear politicians talking about in short order.
-Declan
I wonder what orders our raiders have in regards prisoners? While we're debating what may or may not happen here my guess is that the decision about what to do with captured al Quaeda or Taliban higher-ups on the battlefield was decided long ago. The interrogators and their bags of tricks are ready for subjects. We have to know what they know. Mike
Declan McCullagh <declan@well.com> wrote :
On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 08:50:01PM -0700, Tim May wrote:
Yes, but this is one of those manufactured, utterly implausible situations. I cannot think of a single instance where a suspect had
The military's rules of engagement are very explicit... Anyone giving an order to break those rules are themselves committing a crime.. The integrity to stand up and say its wrong is what has been taught in the military over the past few years as "Moral Courage"... I am not saying the rules don't get broken but if even one person speaks up about what happened then your looking at a very long time of making big rock into little rocks..... At the same time would we risk torturing prisoners when we have preached for years for other countries to stop this exact same thing... My bets are on the Al Qaeda personnel who want to tell all.. The ones who are so proud of what they have done they will let you know whatever you want... Jon Beets ----- Original Message ----- From: <mmotyka@lsil.com> To: <cypherpunks@lne.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 2:33 PM Subject: Re: FBI considers torture as suspects stay silent this
kind of knowledge, with this kind of stakes, and with this kind of "next three hours" timetable. Even relaxing each item by a factor of 10...I can't think of any such examples.
Neither can I. My intention was not to suggest that it's acceptable to rip out the accused's toenails, slowly, but to suggest that this is the kind of scenario that we may hear politicians talking about in short order.
-Declan
I wonder what orders our raiders have in regards prisoners?
While we're debating what may or may not happen here my guess is that the decision about what to do with captured al Quaeda or Taliban higher-ups on the battlefield was decided long ago. The interrogators and their bags of tricks are ready for subjects. We have to know what they know.
Mike
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