<span style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: arial, sans-serif; line-heig= ht: 20.2222px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5859" class=3D"">.</span><= span style=3D"font-size: small; font-weight: bold; font-family: arial, sans= -serif; line-height: 20.2222px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5861" cla= ss=3D"">html</span> (although the Murphy essay might not be ava= ilable, except as an archive.) as well as by R. Sukumaran = ; <a href=3D"http://www.idsa.in/strategicanalysis/CryptologyDigitalAss= assinationandtheTerrorismFuturesMarket_rsukumaran_0404.html" id=3D"yui_3_16= _0_1_1442825109502_5597" style=3D"background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" cl= ass=3D"">http://www.idsa.in/strategicanalysis/CryptologyDigitalAssassinatio= nandtheTerrorismFuturesMarket_rsukumaran_0404.html</a>. </div><div id= =3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3= _16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr">Further, consider<br></div><div id= =3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3= _16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"> <a href=3D"https://github.com= /isislovecruft/patternsinthevoid/blob/master/content/anarchism/game-theory-= anarchism-ii-how-information-can-smash-the-state.md" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144= 2825109502_6139">https://github.com/isislovecruft/patternsinthevoid/blob/ma= ster/content/anarchism/game-theory-anarchism-ii-how-information-can-smash-t= he-state.md</a></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr= "><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"><a href= =3D"https://c4ss.org/content/1157" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6418">h= ttps://c4ss.org/content/1157</a><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144282510= 9502_5058"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr= "><a href=3D"http://archive.is/zYH0e" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6562= " style=3D"background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">series -- anti-state.com<= /a><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><br></div><div id= =3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595" dir=3D"ltr"><a href=3D"https://www.red= dit.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/2jo578/arguments_for_against_insurrec= tionist_ancapism/" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6678">https://www.reddi= t.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/2jo578/arguments_for_against_insurrecti= onist_ancapism/</a><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595" di= r=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595" dir=3D"ltr"= <br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595" dir=3D"ltr">There is= a lot more where this comes from.<br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825= 109502_6595" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_65= 95" dir=3D"ltr">Keep in mind that when I wrote the AP essay, technologies s= uch as Tor, Bitcoin, and especially Ethereum and Augur simply did not exist= . But today they do, or at least they soon will. And that, I consider= to be an extremely good thing.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_= 6595" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595" dir= =3D"ltr">So perhaps you will understand that I consider that trying to prev= ent _all_ "criminal contracts" from being formed is a major, and indeed dan= gerous mistake. While I do not believe that such an effort can ever s= ucceed, I think it would be best not to try.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1= 442825109502_6595" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109= 502_6595" dir=3D"ltr"> Jim Bell</div><div= id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6680"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1= 442825109502_6738"><br></div> <div style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue, He= lvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;= " id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4963"> <div style=3D"font-family: Helvet= icaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-= size: 16px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4962"> <div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D= "yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4961"> <hr size=3D"1" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144282= 5109502_5198"> <font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_14428251= 09502_4964"> <b id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6555"><span style=3D"font-= weight:bold;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6554">From:</span></b> Ari J= uels <juels@cornell.edu><br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To= :</span></b> jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> <br><b><span style=3D"font= -weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> "runting@gmail.com" <runting@gmail.com>= ;; "akosba@cs.umd.edu" <akosba@cs.umd.edu> <br> <b><span style=3D"fon= t-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, September 16, 2015 2:32 PM<br>= <b id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5055"><span style=3D"font-weight: bold= ;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5054">Subject:</span></b> Re: Your pape= r on criminal contracts<br> </font> </div> <div class=3D"y_msg_container" i= d=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4965"><br><div id=3D"yiv5844945283"><div id= =3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4968"> <div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4967"> <div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4966">Dear Mr. Bell,</div> <div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4969"><br clear=3D"none"> </div> <div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4970">Thank you for your original not= e and follow-up. We=E2=80=99re indeed planning to read your essay and cite = it as appropriate in our next paper revision (slated to come out in January= ).</div> <div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4972"> <div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4971"><font class=3D"yiv5844945283App= le-style-span" color=3D"#000000"><font class=3D"yiv5844945283Apple-style-sp= an" face=3D"Calibri"><br clear=3D"none"> </font></font></div> <div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4973"><font class=3D"yiv5844945283App= le-style-span" color=3D"#000000"><font class=3D"yiv5844945283Apple-style-sp= an" face=3D"Calibri">Yours,</font></font></div> <div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4974"><font class=3D"yiv5844945283App= le-style-span" color=3D"#000000"><font class=3D"yiv5844945283Apple-style-sp= an" face=3D"Calibri"><br clear=3D"none"> </font></font></div> <div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4975"><font class=3D"yiv5844945283App= le-style-span" color=3D"#000000"><font class=3D"yiv5844945283Apple-style-sp= an" face=3D"Calibri">AJ</font></font></div> <div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4976"><br clear=3D"none"> </div> </div> </div> <div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4977"><br clear=3D"none"> </div> <span id=3D"yiv5844945283OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"> </span><div class=3D"qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class=3D"yiv58449452= 83yqt8434586631" id=3D"yiv5844945283yqt23677"><div style=3D"font-family:Cal= ibri;font-size:11pt;text-align:left;color:black;BORDER-BOTTOM:medium none;B= ORDER-LEFT:medium none;PADDING-BOTTOM:0in;PADDING-LEFT:0in;PADDING-RIGHT:0i= n;BORDER-TOP:#b5c4df 1pt solid;BORDER-RIGHT:medium none;PADDING-TOP:3pt;" i= d=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4979"></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825= 109502_4984"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4983"><div style=3D"colo= r:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Hel= vetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_= 1_1442825109502_4982"><div id=3D"yiv5844945283yui_3_16_0_1_1442033498384_35= 18" style=3D"font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, L= ucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div id=3D"yiv5844945283yui_3_16_= 0_1_1442033498384_3517" style=3D"font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue,= Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div class=3D= "yiv5844945283y_msg_container" id=3D"yiv5844945283yui_3_16_0_1_144203349838= 4_3516"><div id=3D"yiv5844945283"><div id=3D"yiv5844945283yui_3_16_0_1_1442= 033498384_3515"><div id=3D"yiv5844945283yui_3_16_0_1_1442033498384_3514" st= yle=3D"color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetic= a Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div c= lass=3D"yiv5844945283yqt0142132509" id=3D"yiv5844945283yqt48324"><div id=3D= "yiv5844945283yui_3_16_0_1_1440878565794_3903" style=3D"font-family:Helveti= caNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-si= ze:16px;"><div id=3D"yiv5844945283yui_3_16_0_1_1440878565794_3902" style=3D= "font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande= , sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5844945283yui_3_16_= 0_1_1440878565794_3901"> <font id=3D"yiv5844945283yui_3_16_0_1_1440878565794_3908" size=3D"2" face= =3D"Arial"><b id=3D"yiv5844945283yui_3_16_0_1_1440878565794_3912"><span id= =3D"yiv5844945283yui_3_16_0_1_1440878565794_3911" style=3D"font-weight:bold= ;">From:</span></b> jim bell <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto= =3D"mailto:jdb10987@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:jdb10987@ya= hoo.com">jdb10987@yahoo.com</a>><br clear=3D"none"> <b id=3D"yiv5844945283yui_3_16_0_1_1442033498384_3520"><span id=3D"yiv58449= 45283yui_3_16_0_1_1442033498384_3519" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">To:</span= </b> "<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:juels@cornell.e= du" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:juels@cornell.edu">juels@cornell.edu</= a>" <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:juels@cornell.= edu" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:juels@cornell.edu" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1= _1442825109502_4991">juels@cornell.edu</a>>; "<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape= =3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:runting@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"ma= ilto:runting@gmail.com">runting@gmail.com</a>" <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:runting@gmail.com= " target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:runting@gmail.com">runting@gmail.com</a>= >; "<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.e= du" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.edu">akosba@cs.umd.edu</= a>" <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.= edu" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.edu">akosba@cs.umd.edu<= /a>>; Cpunks List <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mail= to:cypherpunks@cpunks.org" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:cypherpunks@cpu= nks.org">cypherpunks@cpunks.org</a>> <br clear=3D"none"> <b id=3D"yiv5844945283yui_3_16_0_1_1442033498384_3522"><span id=3D"yiv58449= 45283yui_3_16_0_1_1442033498384_3521" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Sent:</sp= an></b> Tuesday, August 25, 2015 10:14 AM<br clear=3D"none"> <b id=3D"yiv5844945283yui_3_16_0_1_1440878565794_3914"><span id=3D"yiv58449= 45283yui_3_16_0_1_1440878565794_3913" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Subject:<= /span></b> Your paper on criminal contracts<br clear=3D"none"> </font></div> <div class=3D"yiv5844945283y_msg_container" id=3D"yiv5844945283yui_3_16_0_1= _1440878565794_3904"> <br clear=3D"none"> <div id=3D"yiv5844945283"> <div id=3D"yiv5844945283yui_3_16_0_1_1440878565794_3906"> <div id=3D"yiv5844945283yui_3_16_0_1_1440878565794_3905" style=3D"color:#00= 0;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetic= a, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> Dear Professors Juels (<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank"=
mail.com>; "akosba@cs.umd.edu" <akosba@cs.umd.edu>; Cpunks List <cypherpunk= s@cpunks.org> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 10:14 AM Subject: Your paper on criminal contracts Dear Professors Juels (http://www.arijuels.com/) and Shi (runting@gmail.com= ), and Ahmed Kosba =C2=A0akosba@cs.umd.edu :=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I've found a refe= rence to your recent paper, http://www.initc3.org/publications.html.=C2=A0 = "The Ring of Gyges: Using Smart Contracts for Crime."=C2=A0=C2=A0 Perhaps y= ou are not aware, but 20 years ago (1995-6) I wrote an essay on a very simi= lar subject. =C2=A0I called it "Assassination Politics". =C2=A0cryptome.org= /ap.htm . =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Jim Bell ------=_Part_755731_2063629305.1442829023083 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:He= lveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;fo= nt-size:13px"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4959" dir=3D"ltr"><span= id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4958">Your paper: <a href=3D= "https://www.google.com/url?sa=3Dt&rct=3Dj&q=3D&esrc=3Ds&so= urce=3Dweb&cd=3D3&cad=3Drja&uact=3D8&ved=3D0CCsQFjACahUKEwi= F_b_E7IfIAhWQmIgKHc_tAuY&url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.arijuels.com%2Fwp-conte= nt%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F09%2Fpublic_gyges.pdf&usg=3DAFQjCNHOBvCYwJ5Aq0CmH= TOY53sGdRs5Sw&sig2=3DL_lh-zCi016f7Y3jbKVKlQ&bvm=3Dbv.103073922,d.cG= U" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_8900">https://www.google.com/url?sa=3Dt= &rct=3Dj&q=3D&esrc=3Ds&source=3Dweb&cd=3D3&cad=3Drj= a&uact=3D8&ved=3D0CCsQFjACahUKEwiF_b_E7IfIAhWQmIgKHc_tAuY&url= =3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.arijuels.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F09%2Fpubli= c_gyges.pdf&usg=3DAFQjCNHOBvCYwJ5Aq0CmHTOY53sGdRs5Sw&sig2=3DL_lh-zC= i016f7Y3jbKVKlQ&bvm=3Dbv.103073922,d.cGU</a></span></div><div id=3D"yui= _3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4959" dir=3D"ltr"><span><br></span></div><div id=3D= "yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4959" dir=3D"ltr"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442= 825109502_8941">Thank you for your reply, Dr. Juels, </span></div><div= id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5059"><span><br></span></div><div id=3D"y= ui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144282= 5109502_5057">Once you read my essay, I think you will understand my concer= n about the motivation for your research, and its potential consequences. &= nbsp; Superficially, and certainly to someone unfamiliar with my idea (Assa= ssination Politics essay), I'm sure it sounds useful and indeed benef= icial to try to prevent the construction and operation of "criminal contrac= ts". One problem that I see, as a lifetime libertarian, is that "cri= minal" may mean no more than "what the government wants to ban" rather than= an actual victim crime. Worse, governments are powerfully motivated = to prevent developments that will someday likely destroy them.</span></div>= <div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id= =3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1= 442825109502_5503" class=3D"">I suggest that you study the analyses of Bob = Vroman <a href=3D"http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.t= cl?msg_id=3D009ape" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5754">http://www.green= spun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=3D009ape</a> , &n= bsp; <a href=3D"http://www.mail-archive.com/cypherpunks-moderated@min= der.net/msg02068.html" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6269">http://www.ma= il-archive.com/cypherpunks-moderated@minder.net/msg02068.html</a> &n= bsp; and of Bob Murphy, </span><span style=3D"font-size: small;= font-family: arial, sans-serif; line-height: 20.2222px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_= 1_1442825109502_5851" class=3D"">www.anti-state.</span><wbr style=3D"font-s= ize: small; font-family: arial, sans-serif; line-height: 20.2222px;" id=3D"= yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5853" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: small= ; font-family: arial, sans-serif; line-height: 20.2222px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0= _1_1442825109502_5855" class=3D"">com/murphy/</span><span style=3D"font-siz= e: small; font-weight: bold; font-family: arial, sans-serif; line-height: 2= 0.2222px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5857" class=3D"">murphy17</span= href=3D"http://www.arijuels.com/" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5046">h= ttp://www.arijuels.com/</a>) and Shi (<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ym= ailto=3D"mailto:runting@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:runting= @gmail.com">runting@gmail.com</a>), and Ahmed Kosba <a rel=3D"nofollo= w" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.edu" target=3D"_blank" hr= ef=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.edu">akosba@cs.umd.edu</a> : I've f= ound a reference to your recent paper, <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank"= href=3D"http://www.initc3.org/publications.html" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144282= 5109502_5047">http://www.initc3.org/publications.html</a>. ; "The Ring = of Gyges: Using Smart Contracts for Crime." Perhaps you are not= aware, but 20 years ago (1995-6) I wrote an essay on a very similar subject. I called it "Assassination Politics". cryptome.org/ap= .htm . Jim Bell</di= v> </div> </div> <br clear=3D"none"> <br clear=3D"none"> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <br clear=3D"none"> <br clear=3D"none"> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div></div> </div></div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></body></html> ------=_Part_755731_2063629305.1442829023083--
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