Pentagon discovers Assasination Politics, deadpools
Pentagon Abandons Terrorism Betting Plan 1 hour, 20 minutes ago Add White House - AP Cabinet & State to My Yahoo! By KEN GUGGENHEIM, Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON - The Pentagon (news - web sites) will abandon a plan to establish a futures market to help predict terrorist strikes, the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee (news - web sites) said Tuesday. Sen. John Warner (news, bio, voting record), R-Va., said he spoke by phone with the program's director, "and we mutually agreed that this thing should be stopped." Warner announced the decision not long after Senate Democratic Leader Thomas Daschle took to the floor to denounce the program as "an incentive actually to commit acts of terrorism." Warner made the announcement during a confirmation hearing for retired Gen. Peter J. Schoomaker, nominated to be Army chief of staff. "This is just wrong," declared Daschle, D-S.D. Warner said he consulted with Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Pat Roberts, R-Kansas, and Appropriations Committee chairman Sen. Ted Stevens (news, bio, voting record), R-Alaska, and they agreed "that this should be immediately disestablished." He said they would recommend that the Pentagon not spend any funds already in place for the program and said they would pull the plug on it during House-Senate budget conference committee negotiations later on this year. The little-publicized Pentagon plan envisioned a potential futures trading market in which speculators would wager on the Internet on the likelihood of a future terrorist attack or assassination attempt on a particular leader. A Web site promoting the plan already is available. When the plan was disclosed by two Democratic senators Monday, the Pentagon defended it as a way to gain intelligence about potential terrorists' plans. Earlier, Warner had said that his staff was looking into the program and would report on it later Tuesday. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (news - web sites), D-N.Y., said she was appalled to hear of plans to set up "a futures market in death." Other Democrats expressed similar alarm. "The idea of a federal betting parlor on atrocities and terrorism is ridiculous and it's grotesque," said Sen. Ron Wyden (news, bio, voting record), D-Ore., one of two lawmakers who disclosed the plan Monday. The program is called the Policy Analysis Market. The Pentagon office overseeing it, the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, or DARPA, said it was part of a research effort "to investigate the broadest possible set of new ways to prevent terrorist attacks." Traders would buy and sell futures contracts just like energy traders do now in betting on the future price of oil. But the contracts in this case would be based on what might happen in the Middle East in terms of economics, civil and military affairs or specific events, such as terrorist attacks. Holders of a futures contract that came true would collect the proceeds of traders who put money into the market but predicted wrong. A graphic on the market's Web page Monday showed hypothetical futures contracts in which investors could trade on the likelihood that Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat (news - web sites) would be assassinated or Jordanian King Abdullah II would be overthrown. Although the Web site described the Policy Analysis Market as Middle East market, the graphic also included the possibility of a North Korea (news - web sites) missile attack. That graphic apparently was removed from the Web site hours after the news conference in which Wyden and fellow Democratic Sen. Byron Dorgan (news, bio, voting record) of North Dakota criticized the market. Dorgan described the market as "unbelievably stupid." "Can you imagine if another country set up a betting parlor so that people could go in ... and bet on the assassination of an American political figure or the overthrow of this institution or that institution?" he said. But in its statement Monday, DARPA said markets could reveal "dispersed and even hidden information. Futures markets have proven themselves to be good at predicting such things as elections results; they are often better than expert opinions." According to its Web site, the Policy Analysis Market would be a joint program of DARPA and two private companies, Net Exchange, a market technologies company, and the Economist Intelligence Unit, the business information arm of the publisher of The Economist magazine. DARPA has been criticized by Congress for its Terrorism Information Awareness program, a computerized surveillance program that has raised privacy concerns. Wyden said the Policy Analysis Market is under the supervision of retired Adm. John Poindexter, the head of the Terrorism Information Awareness program and, in the 1980s, national security adviser to President Reagan. The Web site does not address how much money investors would be likely to put into the market but says analysts would be motivated by the "prospect of profit and at pain of loss" to make accurate predictions. Trading is to begin Oct. 1. The market would initially be limited to 1,000 traders, increasing to at least 10,000 by Jan. 1. The Web site says government agencies will not be allowed to participate and will not have access to the identities or funds of traders. The market is a project of a DARPA division called FutureMAP, or "Futures Markets Applied to Prediction." "The rapid reaction of markets to knowledge held by only a few participants may provide an early warning system to avoid surprise," the FutureMap Web site said. Dorgan and Wyden released a letter to Poindexter calling for an end to the program. They noted a May 20 report to lawmakers that cited the possibility of using market forces to predict whether Israel will be attacked with biological weapons. "Surely such a threat should be met with intelligence gathering of the highest quality not by putting the question to individuals betting on an Internet Web site," they said. Wyden said $600,000 has been spent on the program so far and the Pentagon plans to spend an additional $149,000 this year. The Pentagon has requested $3 million for the program for next year and $5 million for the following year. Wyden said the Senate version of next year's defense spending bill would cut off money for the program, but the House version would fund it. The two versions will have to be reconciled. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030729/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/terror_market_20
At 10:20 AM -0700 7/29/03, Major Variola (ret.) quoted:
He said they would recommend that the Pentagon not spend any funds already in place for the program and said they would pull the plug on it during House-Senate budget conference committee negotiations later on this year.
Note that properly run, this "Ideas Futures" market would be a money maker, not a cost center. For only a modest percentage of the winnings, it could be self sustaining. Perhaps someone with a profit motive will pick up the idea. If they don't want the label of "Assasination Politics", they can forbid bets on individual deaths, and still have nearly the full field, including wars, revolutions, "nonstandard" attacks, and elections available for play. (c.f. the way eBay and Yahoo limit themselves.) Cheers - Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | "A Jobless Recovery is | Periwinkle -- Consulting (408)356-8506 | like a Breadless Sand- | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz@pwpconsult.com | wich." -- Steve Schear | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA
At 11:23 AM 07/29/2003 -0700, Bill Frantz wrote:
Note that properly run, this "Ideas Futures" market would be a money maker, not a cost center. For only a modest percentage of the winnings, it could be self sustaining. Perhaps someone with a profit motive will pick up the idea.
Assuming it can be legally structured as a "Futures Market", rather than as "Illegal Gambling", it could make money. (There are obviously some bets it's unlikely to handle, such as the bet that Idea Futures markets would be successfully prosecuted as illegal gambling :-)
If they don't want the label of "Assasination Politics", they can forbid bets on individual deaths, and still have nearly the full field, including wars, revolutions, "nonstandard" attacks, and elections available for play. (c.f. the way eBay and Yahoo limit themselves.)
This provides a number of Doubleplus-Good Things. - Government agencies can be funded by private ideas futures speculation rather than by taxes, freeing them from the tiresome needs of Congressional budget requests and oversight. No more Ollie North trials! - Private organizations can fund government agencies to do specific things and launder the money through the market, rather than needing to lobby Congresscritters to fund them. There's a bit less leverage this way, but surely there are some Congresscritters who'd appreciate that private organizations were betting they'd live to 100 like Strom Thurmond. - All those boring old Neutrality Act laws that keep companies like ITT and Halliburton from overthrowing foreign governments and forbid patriotic Americans to be foreign mercenaries can be avoided, because they won't need to do that any more - they can just bet sufficient sums that governments will be overthrown and they'll go overthrow themselves, and those patriotic Americans can be working as, ummm, investment logistics expediters instead of mercs. - The system will be completely Anonymous, and Anonymity is Strength! - Of course Oceania has always had an Idea Futures position about the downfall of WestAsia. Why do you ask?
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