--- begin forwarded text To: "Bruce Tefft" <btefft@community-research.com> Thread-Index: AcT8kVM6uKgN+znER4yfU7/dhANxFQADXdMw From: "Bruce Tefft" <btefft@community-research.com> Mailing-List: list osint@yahoogroups.com; contact osint-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list osint@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 09:16:05 -0500 Subject: [osint] Women must remove veils in court Reply-To: osint@yahoogroups.com Women must remove veils in court

From correspondents in Auckland January 17, 2005

A MUSLIM woman who said she would rather die than show her face in public must remove her veil while giving evidence in a trial, a New Zealand court ruled today. The Auckland District Court ruled that Fouzya Salim, a witness in a fraud case, and another Muslim woman must show their faces to the judge, lawyers and female court staff but can be concealed from public view, Radio New Zealand reported. The women had been fighting since last year a defence lawyer's application to have their veils lifted in court so their demeanour could be assessed. The Afghanistan-born Ms Salim, who has lived in New Zealand for 10 years, has never left her house without wearing a traditional burqa, which covers the entire body. Today the court ruled that while it could be a fair trial even if the women wore burqas, the defendant had a legitimate expectation of trial by the normal process. The decision said screens and other measures would be used in court to protect the women from further public view. The ruling only applied to the case in question. Last October Ms Salim told the court: "I don't want to show my face in public ... I would rather kill myself than uncover my face and sit here. If I uncover my face then I would be in trouble with God." Defence lawyer Colin Amery said he was "reasonably happy" with the decision, NZPA reported. "It's a partial victory for the New Zealand way of doing things and our justice system," he said. AAP [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> DonorsChoose. A simple way to provide underprivileged children resources often lacking in public schools. Fund a student project in NYC/NC today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/EHLuJD/.WnJAA/cUmLAA/TySplB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> -------------------------- Want to discuss this topic? Head on over to our discussion list, discuss-osint@yahoogroups.com. -------------------------- Brooks Isoldi, editor bisoldi@intellnet.org http://www.intellnet.org Post message: osint@yahoogroups.com Subscribe: osint-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Unsubscribe: osint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com *** FAIR USE NOTICE. This message contains copyrighted material whose use has not been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. OSINT, as a part of The Intelligence Network, is making it available without profit to OSINT YahooGroups members who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information in their efforts to advance the understanding of intelligence and law enforcement organizations, their activities, methods, techniques, human rights, civil liberties, social justice and other intelligence related issues, for non-profit research and educational purposes only. We believe that this constitutes a 'fair use' of the copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the U.S. Copyright Law. If you wish to use this copyrighted material for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair use,' you must obtain permission from the copyright owner. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/osint/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: osint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah@ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'