In a message dated 8/5/2003 2:51:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, timcmay@got.net writes: Sterling had placed much too much emphasis on the havens' attempt to be physically secure by owning small countries and not nearly enough (if any) emphasis on using strong cryptography to achieve security inside cypherspace I agree except to say that there must be a minimal level of freedom and security in which to operate. You'd have to be not in a place like Rwanda where the Hutu might literally hack you and your hardware with their machetes. Or be in another similar condition where the network lines are pounded into pretty jewelry. Communities like the Amish can only flourish in communities such as the US which largely leaves them alone (This is changing unfortunately.) I do remember we discussed the ridiculous notion of placing machine guns on Haven-Co's platform- As if the Brits would allow such a thing in their territorial waters. Regards, Matt-