Re: Air Force Turns 747 Into Holster for Giant Laser (washing tonpost.com)

At 11:05 AM 7/25/2001 -0400, Trei, Peter wrote:
Bill Stewart writes:
Meanwhile of course, any foreign terrorist that wants to nuke the US with a physically small weapon only needs to pack it in cocaine and bring it in with the regular shipments, while Rogue Nations that can only make large Fat Boy style weapons need cruder methods, like bribing a crane operator to load the wrong container on a ship bound for New York or Los Angelese harbor.
It may not be that easy. My understanding (based on various TV programs broadcast back in the early 90's) is that there is a program called 'NEST', which stands for something like Nuclear Emergency (mumble) Team, tasked with dealing with this type of problem.
One protection hinted is that strategically chosen points of transit (bridges, ports, tunnels, major highways, mail, baggage and freight facilities, etc) have detectors for nuclear materials.
The thing is, while you can sheild a source to the point where it is not a hazard, sheilding it to the point of *undetectability* is far harder task.
If you detect even a single gamma ray of a certain frequency, or betas or even alphas of certain energies, you *know* that a certain isotope produced them. If the detectors note the presence of a certain isotopes, they generate the appropriate alarms.
There are also other detection systems - I've seen X-rays of entire container trucks which were passing through the Chunnel - illegal immigrants were quite visible inside the container.
An attacker's best chance would be to place his weapon in a container, heavily sheilded, and then to bury that in the middle of a stack of other containers of heavy shielding in the hold of a container ship, and plan to detonate it while still on board in a target harbor.
Or reduce the effectiveness of the detection system by clandestinely "salting" vessels entering our ports with radio active dust with the same energy signatures. Sort of a radio active chaff. steve

On Wed, 25 Jul 2001, Steve Schear wrote:
Or reduce the effectiveness of the detection system by clandestinely "salting" vessels entering our ports with radio active dust with the same energy signatures. Sort of a radio active chaff.
The point of a clandestine WOMD attack is that there is no forewarning. Salting random vehicles will make some people way more paranoid that they already are. As to nukes, according to anecdotal evidence (a single former employee), UPS doesn't screen for fissible signatures. I very much doubt they screen for vanilla HE (which, unless well packaged, emanate telltale volatiles, and contain a high nitrogen concentration, which you could probably detect with proper activation spectrocopy, unless *very* well shielded, or packed with a shipment of nitrate fertilizer). Screening devices are expensive, and have a limited processvity -- but technology marches on, of course. If a country would want to nuke a country with few 10..100 devices, it will get them into the country, and there's jack you can do about that. The probability of detection would be very, very low. The reason it's not being done is 1) no point 2) basic milk of human kindness. Sooner or later some random ijit or random group of ijits is going to fry/poison/infect a few people, which will have some serious impact on security policy, and the style of living where people concentrate. I hope I'm not there when it happens.
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