To All, The idea of second tier remailers may be MUCH more palatable to all to run as they add more hops in the chain... as they dont introduce such a visible liability to the operator they could possibly be a LOT easier to propagate than first tier remailers. One additional facility neede is the ability to recognize a signed and/or encrypted control message to update their remailer maps from a periodic posting...maybe this last needs a lot of thought. cheers kelly --