-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 If you pick something heavy up from the ground, and intend to throw it, it is extremely difficult to do so without having it in front of you, at least for a moment. If Giuliani intended to throw it overhand over his head, or shot-put style over one shoulder, the extinguisher would have been in the position shown in the photo at least momentarily. It is also possible that he intended to throw the extinguisher, and then saw the pistol pointed at his head and tried to hide behind it at the last moment. Regardless, if I had been in the vehicle, I would have shot the bastard. Several vehicle windows had already been broken, and most rational people would accept the notion that a group of people using large, heavy objects to smash the windows out of an occupied vehicle in a riot situation usually do not have the health and welfare of the occupants of the vehicle foremost in mind. In some states, this sort of behavior is called car-jacking, and occupants of the vehicle who use deadly force to repel the window-smashers are not prosecuted. - -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Woods [mailto:andrew@pokerspot.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 1:14 AM To: Jon Beets Cc: cypherpunks@lne.com Subject: Re: A question of self-defence - Fire extinguishers & self defence If you look at the Reuters image of Carlo holding the fire extinguisher, he's holding it below head-level. In my opinion, that leaves three options: Carlo was going to chuck the extinguisher underhand (and sideways to the vehicle, so it would've bounced off) at a low velocity, or Carlo was holding the fire extinguisher out in front of him as DEFENSE, or he was merely holding a fire extinguisher. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use <http://www.pgp.com> iQA/AwUBO2SZGxj6oMyeDxZoEQJoOACfcI8ynA+ALnz1NRC7EiXm0QEKDEUAoOdm AISXQu3Rzp2h9PtLcnHjd7QI =fsqE -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----