Uh...I assume you're quoting somebody here? The last point is actually a very good one, but getting there requires hacking through gobbledeegook. What's this "all businessmen" silliness? And using vpns WITHIN a company? As an employee of a major Wall Street firm, I can tell you that's completely wrong. But the interesting thing, which again is "obvious" is, "How will P2P Networks morph into something like blacknet?" I'm very interested in hearing about whether any P2P networks support encrypted transactions of any sort yet (ie, can one yet pay for some files via P2P)? Are there any P2P Networks being designed deliberately to support anything/everything, including peered IP Telephony? -TD
From: "James A. Donald" <jamesd@echeque.com> To: cypherpunks@algebra.com Subject: The killer app for encryption Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:47:14 -0800
-- Encryption is a defense against threats. For people to adopt encryption, they need to be threatened.
All businessmen are guilty of insider trading and destruction of evidence. In consequence all businessmen use encrypted vpn internally within companies, but not, however, in external communications, rendering a public key infrastructure quite useless. For widespread tax evasion to take off, we would like widespread use of public keys.
Now the entire population is guilty of file trading. Pretty soon, therefore, the entire population will be using encryption, but it is far from clear that this encryption will enable all the potential uses of encryption that cypherpunks foresaw.
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On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Tyler Durden wrote:
I'm very interested in hearing about whether any P2P networks support encrypted transactions of any sort yet (ie, can one yet pay for some files via P2P)? Are there any P2P Networks being designed deliberately to support anything/everything, including peered IP Telephony?
What exactly do you mean by "peered IP telephony"? Voice telephony requires delays measured in tens of milliseconds. A bit difficult if you also want encryption, anonymity, etc. -- Jim Dixon jdd@dixons.org tel +44 117 982 0786 mobile +44 797 373 7881 http://jxcl.sourceforge.net Java unit test coverage http://xlattice.sourceforge.net p2p communications infrastructure
At 12:16 PM -0800 12/18/03, Jim Dixon wrote:
Voice telephony requires delays measured in tens of milliseconds. A bit difficult if you also want encryption, anonymity, etc.
Voice memo (messaging) systems are a way around this limitation. I don't know of any that exist. (Encrypted to receivers(s), mixed, and signed for strong pseudo-anonymity) Cheers - Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | "There's nothing so clear as a | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | vague idea you haven't written | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | down yet." -- Dean Tribble | Los Gatos, CA 95032
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