Re: FC: Anonymous remailer operators start to take remailers offline
While it's understandable that people want to avoid being swept up in hysterical backlashes against people involved in this morning's terrorist activity, it's worth remembering - especially for people interested in aiding law enforcement - that a lot of investigations begin and move forward with anonymous tips which are later corroborated by witnesses willing to testify. Given the clear indifference for human life shown by the terrorists, the ordinary witness-protection steps taken by law enforcement may not be comforting enough to allow aiders and abettors of this morning's actions to report their knowledge with confidence - so it may be more important than ever that the remailers continue to operate. Given that, does anyone have any tips for compiling the current Mixmaster release under FreeBSD or OpenBSD? The make fails for me on both platforms - it looks like a failure related to the recent integration of OpenSSL into the standard BSD distributions, which I've been unable to remedy thus far. At 01:17 PM 9/11/2001 -0400, R. A. Hettinga wrote:
Status: U Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:42:22 -0400 To: politech@politechbot.com From: Declan McCullagh <declan@well.com> Subject: FC: Anonymous remailer operators start to take remailers offline Sender: owner-politech@politechbot.com Reply-To: declan@well.com
[From a remailer operators mailing list. The discussion arose in response to the attacks. --Declan]
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From: Len Sassaman <rabbi@quickie.net> Subject: status of randseed Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 08:40:37 -0700 (PDT)
Randseed's been taken offline, as a precautionary measure. All mail currently destined for randseed will be bounced.
We'll be back online at sometime in the future
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From: "J.Francois" <frenchie@magusnet.com> Subject: Opinions on Operations due to bombings. Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 08:46:37 -0700 Organization: MagusNet, Inc. Design * Develop * Integrate
I no longer run an anon remailer but I still operate a public proxy.
By now everyone is aware of the bombings here in the USA.
So, do we suspend anon communications channels during the crises or do we stay operational.
Opinions? -- Jean Francois - JLF Sends... Once at a social gathering, Gladstone said to Disraeli, "I predict, Sir, that you will die either by hanging or of some vile disease". Disraeli replied, "That all depends, Sir, upon whether I embrace your principles or your mistress."
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From: Len Sassaman <rabbi@quickie.net> Subject: Re: Opinions on Operations due to bombings. To: <jlf@magusnet.com> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 09:23:44 -0700 (PDT)
I'm not concerned that the remailer network is, was, or will be used by the actual terrorists. What concerns me is the assholes who will inevitably send bogus threats, tips, and other noise to various news groups, federal offices, and officials.
I don't want to get caught in the middle of this. I'm sorry. I'm currently unemployed and don't have the resources to defend myself. At this point in time, a free-speech argument will not gain much sympathy with the feds, judges, and general public.
And investigators don't need more noise to sort through. They'll have enough as it is.
I'd like to see remailers continue operating. But this needs to settle. I may put mine into middle, mix only mode if I feel up to it..
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-- Greg Broiles gbroiles@well.com "We have found and closed the thing you watch us with." -- New Delhi street kids
While it's understandable that people want to avoid being swept up in hysterical backlashes against people involved in this morning's terrorist activity, it's worth remembering - especially for people interested in aiding law enforcement - that a lot of investigations begin and move forward with anonymous tips which are later corroborated by witnesses willing to testify. Given the clear indifference for human life shown by the terrorists, the ordinary witness-protection steps taken by law enforcement may not be comforting enough to allow aiders and abettors of this morning's actions to report their knowledge with confidence - so it may be more important than ever that the remailers continue to operate.
I agree, and I'm a "wuss ninnie," according to many. They are broadcasting the hotlines/website: http://www.ifcc.fbi.gov (slashdotted, on my end). They want everything. ...Could the remops collaborate in some fashion so as to offer collection assistance? ...Could you set up a working group to assist with these situations in the future? ...Could you build something to facilitate anonymous reporting? I'm brown-nosing Steele again, but terrorism seems to support a Whitehat Blacknet (what I called an OSINT Intellagora). Isn't this a perfect example? I think a working group on something like this would put crypto in a positive light. ~Aimee
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Greg Broiles wrote:
Given that, does anyone have any tips for compiling the current Mixmaster release under FreeBSD or OpenBSD? The make fails for me on both platforms - it looks like a failure related to the recent integration of OpenSSL into the standard BSD distributions, which I've been unable to remedy thus far.
Get the Mix-libs package, which has an older version of OpenSSL that includes the missing "openssl/idea.h" header. (At least that was the problem I had compiling Mixmaster on Linux with the current OpenSSL.) ...dave
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Aimee Farr wrote:
They are broadcasting the hotlines/website: http://www.ifcc.fbi.gov (slashdotted, on my end).
Actually that's http://www.ifccfbi.gov/ , and yes, it's almost slashdotted. The IFCC comes from Internet Fraud Complaint Center, and it seems it is a preexisting .gov website. The frontpage says: "The Internet Fraud Complaint Center (IFCC) is a partnership between the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and the National White Collar Crime Center (NW3C). IFCC's mission is to address fraud committed over the Internet." That does not sound good at all -- it's likely the public FBI and/or CIA servers could handle a higher load, yet they've decided to use an Internet fraud reporting site for this incident. Do they think online circles have some special role in all this? They *have* been touting Osama as a "wired" terrorist for some time... Sampo Syreeni, aka decoy, mailto:decoy@iki.fi, gsm: +358-50-5756111 student/math+cs/helsinki university, http://www.iki.fi/~decoy/front
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