"The Western conceit that its culture is so superior that it must impose it on others through missionary campaigns now many centuries old, through economic policies, through eduation, through foreign policies, through military enforcement, and through disparagement of other cultures, has bred a deep seated anger toward the prime exporters, the idea supremacists of state, church and family." A pity to see terrorist propaganda taken up in this place where reality should prevail. Western culture stopped spreading by force before WWII, but it's still in demand. Guess what - it IS superior! Not surprisingly, cultures based on individual rights and the cultivation of reason are more effective than those based on conformity and superstition. Sorry if you don't like that, but it's true. And it is that ineluctable FACT that the fanatics of 9/11 hate. They hate the fact that the people they want to control like our culture better. Marc de Piolenc Iligan, Lanao del Norte Philippines -- Remember September 11, 2001 but don't forget July 4, 1776 Rather than make war on the American people and their liberties, ...Congress should be looking for ways to empower them to protect themselves when warranted. They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- John Young writes:
"The Western conceit that its culture is so superior that it must impose it on others through missionary campaigns now many centuries old, through economic policies, through eduation, through foreign policies, through military enforcement, and through disparagement of other cultures, has bred a deep seated anger toward the prime exporters, the idea supremacists of state, church and family."
F. Marc de Piolenc writes:
A pity to see terrorist propaganda taken up in this place where reality should prevail.
Western culture stopped spreading by force before WWII, but it's still in demand. Guess what - it IS superior! Not surprisingly, cultures based on individual rights and the cultivation of reason are more effective than those based on conformity and superstition. Sorry if you don't like that, but it's true. And it is that ineluctable FACT that the fanatics of 9/11 hate. They hate the fact that the people they want to control like our culture better.
Is there objective evidence for one of these propositions or the other? Is Western culture being imposed on others, or did that stop before WWII? Is there deep seated anger toward the prime exporters of Western culture, or do those people like it better? Is the hate or anger deep seated, or is it driven by the fanatics who want to control? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQBVAwUBPCxqp/PsjZpmLV0BAQEMtwH+PEkk4PUqDvNngfIyC9sWwKb4YO8VJBEL yWKldyr7Fn9oAanEOpsaIiuuyaNfKQFuZW7XTcFiTZPVxWck+a3etg== =Y4lm -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
The dominant religion of the West is Middle Eastern in origin, its best features long overlayered with barbaric bureaucracy of the Greeks and Latins and vile practices derived from the warrior cultures, many the outgrowth of northern European hinterlands, Anglo-Saxon defectives still enthralled with ceremonial violence inherent in costume, sports, entertainment, prejudice, pride, and exculpation of ego-driven indifference to harm caused others -- others deliberately defined as unworthy of equal treatment with those who considered themselves inherently superior. Calvinism a cloak for screwing with mammon's blessing. The dominant political system is similarly derived and corrupted by bandit mentality, warlords changing sides, imitating each other, destroying dissenters of the main behavior, bribing those they cannot beat, stigmatizing and/or criminalizing those they cannot bribe. The Western family culture is probably the most barbaric of all for its promulgation of vicious sexual peculiarities, prohibitions, askanced violations, intra-familial deceits, institutionalized sanctimoniousness and manipulation and slavery (oft through faux idolization) of children and women. The dominant male is homosexual beyond the conventional definition of that term, preferring and adoring other males, the more dominating the better, though never recognizing the fundamental cowardice of preening dominants -- all showboating, parading, bluffing, fetishism of stand-off battling, never risking harm, and love of literature and art that valorizes these traits. The economic system is a mish-mash of the other three, opportunistic, unprincipled, venal, treacherous, exploitive at home and overseas. Nothing intellectually original about it, lacking subtlety, maximizing unearned profits, gloating about winning by treachery, by taking advantage of others, completely ga-ga about hanging out with like-minded dimwits. What is most distinctive about Western culture is its willful ignorance about where it came from, and what has been lost by branding the mongrel culture with simplistic, jingoistic terminology created for ignorant sellers of the product (gov, com, edu) and its consumers. Sure it appeals to the ignorant sellers and consumers worldwide but not as much as believed by its homeland sources.
At 11:48 AM 12/28/01 -0800, John Young wrote:
of northern European hinterlands, Anglo-Saxon defectives still enthralled with ceremonial violence inherent in costume, sports, entertainment, prejudice, pride, and exculpation of ego-driven indifference to harm caused others
Wait, are you talking about football (soccer) or religion? I suppose for some there is litle difference.. :-)
On Fri, 28 Dec 2001, David Honig wrote:
At 11:48 AM 12/28/01 -0800, John Young wrote:
of northern European hinterlands, Anglo-Saxon defectives still enthralled with ceremonial violence inherent in costume, sports, entertainment, prejudice, pride, and exculpation of ego-driven indifference to harm caused others
Wait, are you talking about football (soccer) or religion?
I suppose for some there is litle difference..
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