More coverage of Larry Ellison's fascism
http://www0.mercurycenter.com/local/center/id101701.htm Choice quotes from the Man, who doesn't realize that the Constitution protects *everyone* in the US, regardless of residency status: The cards would be voluntary for all U.S. citizens, he said Tuesday. Any American without a card still could board a plane, but only after undergoing a more rigorous search. The cards would be mandatory, however, for foreign visitors, including students on visas and non-citizens living and working in the United States who now carry ``green cards,'' he said. Ellison has not offered specifics on how the estimated 8 million illegal immigrants in the United States might be affected. .......... Boycott Oracle
On Wednesday, October 17, 2001, at 09:43 AM, Khoder bin Hakkin wrote:
http://www0.mercurycenter.com/local/center/id101701.htm
Choice quotes from the Man, who doesn't realize that the Constitution protects *everyone* in the US, regardless of residency status:
The cards would be voluntary for all U.S. citizens, he said Tuesday. Any American without a card still could board a plane, but only after undergoing a more rigorous search.
The cards would be mandatory, however, for foreign
visitors, including students on visas and non-citizens living and working in the United States who now carry ``green cards,'' he said.
--Tim May "You don't expect governments to obey the law because of some higher moral development. You expect them to obey the law because they know
Ellison rushed into this scam for selling more Oracle data bases (*) without much thought. Mandatory for some means mandatory for all, else the "some" will simply claim they are part of the group not required to carry cards. Obviously. (* Ellison says he will "give away the software," but he doesn't say to whom, or how agencies required to interact with the software will get their copies, or who will do the maintenance, etc. He is obviously looking for Oracle to give away some free copies but then be the Official Supplier to Big Brother. State capitalism in its most obvious form.) that if they don't, those who aren't shot will be hanged." - -Michael Shirley
At 11:00 AM 10/17/2001 -0700, Tim May wrote:
(* Ellison says he will "give away the software," but he doesn't say to whom, or how agencies required to interact with the software will get their copies, or who will do the maintenance, etc. He is obviously looking for Oracle to give away some free copies but then be the Official Supplier to Big Brother. State capitalism in its most obvious form.)
Indeed. Actually, in the third quarter of 2001, Oracle made 67% of its revenues from consulting and services, and only 33% of its revenue from licensing, according to their 10-Q SEC filing. (The split was 64/36 for service/licensing in Q3 2000). As the Mercury News article says ..
Ellison said that if he does donate the software, maintenance and upgrades won't be free.
``I don't think the government has any trouble paying for the labor associated with the software,'' he said. ``I made this offer not because the government can't afford to pay for the software, but because I shut up the critics who were saying, `Gee, Larry Ellison wants to build a national database because he wants to sell more databases,' which is pretty cynical and bizarre. What's in it for me is the same thing that's in it for you: a safer America.''
.. so basically he'll give the USG a one-time break on the software purchase, but they'll pay full rate for the consulting to get it up and running, and for maintenance thereafter, which would easily run into the billions of dollars, given the scope of this project, the size of the database, and the uptime/performance requirements a realistic implementation would call for. What an asshole. Oracle talked the City of Oakland into adopting Oracle Financials to run the city's books and payroll - the project ran months over deadline (past 1/1/2000, even though it was being installed to fix a Y2K problem with the existing installation), resulted in withholding errors and missed paychecks for city workers, missing reports for budget purposes, and generally created an administrative and accounting nightmare. Deep into the project, the Oracle consultants admitted that they'd promised to do things for Oakland that they'd never done before, that they weren't sure how long it would take to finish, or if the promised functionality would ever be delivered. I don't know if they ever finished. And now they want to do *that* with a National ID database - so the taxpayers get screwed three times - once paying for it, once because it's inaccurate, and once because it's a fucking fascist nightmare. Now all we need are Ross Perot and/or EDS and/or IBM telling us they can do the same thing but cheaper and faster. -- Greg Broiles gbroiles@well.com "We have found and closed the thing you watch us with." -- New Delhi street kids
Greg Broiles wrote:
Now all we need are Ross Perot and/or EDS and/or IBM telling us they can do the same thing but cheaper and faster.
-- Greg Broiles gbroiles@well.com "We have found and closed the thing you watch us with." -- New Delhi street kids
Well, Sun already did that. Which is a *real* drag for me -- since boycotting Sun certainly cuts off a large number of job opportunities. Sigh! Although maybe it'll turn out to be a real boost for linux. 8-) -- Harmon Seaver, MLIS CyberShamanix Work 920-203-9633 Home 920-233-5820 hseaver@cybershamanix.com http://www.cybershamanix.com/resume.html
On Wednesday, October 17, 2001, at 03:18 PM, Harmon Seaver wrote:
Greg Broiles wrote:
Now all we need are Ross Perot and/or EDS and/or IBM telling us they can do the same thing but cheaper and faster.
-- Greg Broiles gbroiles@well.com "We have found and closed the thing you watch us with." -- New Delhi street kids
Well, Sun already did that. Which is a *real* drag for me -- since boycotting Sun certainly cuts off a large number of job opportunities. Sigh! Although maybe it'll turn out to be a real boost for linux. 8-)
All of these fuckers are trying to show the flag by repressing liberties. Coming soon, "MyEscowedYahoo (TM), the new account management and news tracking system from Yahoo, Inc. "We report your account balances and special news interests to the government so you don't have to!" "IntelInside (TM), Intel's contribution to the War on Terrorism and Bad People. Intel, through its proprietary TrackBurst (TM) technology, reports the location of laptops and PDAs to the FBI through an iGPS (Intel GPS) module integrate into all i840 motherboards. Those who have something to hide should buy AMD!" "Not be outdone in this war on liberty, AMD announces QuantiLiberty, the fractional liberty positional escrow system. We not only report your position, we also anticipate your future movements by examining your daily calendars!" It's 10 p.m....does the government know where you are? --Tim May, Occupied America "They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759.
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