http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/12/my_reaction_to.html December 9, 2009 My Reaction to Eric Schmidt Schmidt said: I think judgment matters. If you have something that you don't want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place. If you really need that kind of privacy, the reality is that search engines -- including Google -- do retain this information for some time and it's important, for example, that we are all subject in the United States to the Patriot Act and it is possible that all that information could be made available to the authorities. This, from 2006, is my response: Privacy protects us from abuses by those in power, even if we're doing nothing wrong at the time of surveillance. We do nothing wrong when we make love or go to the bathroom. We are not deliberately hiding anything when we seek out private places for reflection or conversation. We keep private journals, sing in the privacy of the shower, and write letters to secret lovers and then burn them. Privacy is a basic human need. [...] For if we are observed in all matters, we are constantly under threat of correction, judgment, criticism, even plagiarism of our own uniqueness. We become children, fettered under watchful eyes, constantly fearful that -- either now or in the uncertain future -- patterns we leave behind will be brought back to implicate us, by whatever authority has now become focused upon our once-private and innocent acts. We lose our individuality, because everything we do is observable and recordable. [...] This is the loss of freedom we face when our privacy is taken from us. This is life in former East Germany, or life in Saddam Hussein's Iraq. And it's our future as we allow an ever-intrusive eye into our personal, private lives. Too many wrongly characterize the debate as "security versus privacy." The real choice is liberty versus control. Tyranny, whether it arises under threat of foreign physical attack or under constant domestic authoritative scrutiny, is still tyranny. Liberty requires security without intrusion, security plus privacy. Widespread police surveillance is the very definition of a police state. And that's why we should champion privacy even when we have nothing to hide.
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http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/12/my_reaction_to.html
December 9, 2009
Schmidt said:
I think judgment matters. If you have something that you don't want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place.
My [Schneier] Reaction to Eric Schmidt
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For if we are observed in all matters, we are constantly under threat of correction, judgment, criticism, even plagiarism of our own uniqueness.
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On Thu, 10 Dec 2009, StealthMonger wrote:
Eugen, thank you generally for your postings to this forum.
But thank you especially for bringing these vital words from Schneier to our attention at this time. For example:
Eugen Leitl <eugen@leitl.org> writes:
http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/12/my_reaction_to.html
December 9, 2009
Schmidt said:
I think judgment matters. If you have something that you don't want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place.
My [Schneier] Reaction to Eric Schmidt
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For if we are observed in all matters, we are constantly under threat of correction, judgment, criticism, even plagiarism of our own uniqueness.
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Allow me to second that Eugen. //Alif The Other Mongermeat "Never belong to any party, always oppose privileged classes and public plunderers, never lack sympathy with the poor, always remain devoted to the public welfare, never be satisfied with merely printing news, always be drastically independent, never be afraid to attack wrong, whether by predatory plutocracy or predatory poverty." Joseph Pulitzer, 1907 Speech
John Young wrote:
Thirded.
Not to be another "me too" but, me too. It should be safe to say, we all feel that way - those of us who really care. But "me too-ism" is addressed elsewhere. So, *group hug* *fist punch* *high five* (select as appropriate) and let's keep our guards up. They are not relenting. Ulex
On 12/10/09 18:53, Europus wrote:
John Young wrote:
Thirded.
Not to be another "me too" but, me too.
It should be safe to say, we all feel that way - those of us who really care. But "me too-ism" is addressed elsewhere.
So, *group hug* *fist punch* *high five* (select as appropriate) and let's keep our guards up. They are not relenting.
Ulex
Dear Friends, Here is another me too, with a request (at the bottom). I have had quite the adventure over the last few years, enough I believe to annoy the rascals. I practice what most only preach, and am determined to not make the mistakes such as those by e-gold et all. It seems that the most occult of contemporary knowledge is money, economics and law, and the from extensive conversations I know how rare a combination of true comprehension in such is.
From my experience it seems that even with just a few readers I have managed to annoy some of "them"... because some of the analysis has hit close to home.
The time has come to go forward with the next generation of software and the next generation of lawful money. I have set up TikiWiki 4.0 on an SSL only site, feel free to use and create with it. https://freedom.rayservers.com/Web+4.0 This below is the stub for a distributed agent platform for Global Settlement: https://freedom.rayservers.com/Globalisles.net This covers the stub for the GSF system: https://freedom.rayservers.com/The+Global+Settlement+Foundation+System A stub for economics & how we will have to proceed: https://freedom.rayservers.com/Weave+your+Independence Some articles I believe have made an impact in certain circles: http://www.rayservers.com/blog/inflation-and-deflation-all-at-the-same-time http://www.rayservers.com/blog/generating-power-from-stupidity---the-harsh-t... http://www.rayservers.com/blog/fraudulent-finance-for-dummies https://freedom.rayservers.com/Fraud And in nice color PDF that will land on the desk of every bureaucrat at the UN some day soon that explains what your "cash in the bank" is: http://www.rayservers.com/images/AUric.pdf An abbreviated GSF overview: http://www.global-settlement.org/GSF-web.pdf None of this is going to be subsidized by any of the gentlemen who would rather wish it weren't. So this information needs to get in front of those who matter - those who control assets of production - who stand to lose control in the greatest swindle of all time that is ongoing. That swindle, is staggering. Dubai is visible evidence of it. Too many people who once had an incredible number of zeros in their "asset portfolios" are waking up to a nightmare they do not comprehend. The reason is so staggeringly simple that they refuse to believe it: Bank-liabilities to pay legal tender are vanishing into the thin air from which they appeared. So here is the request: I wrote a Christmas 2009 message that is here: http://www.rayservers.com/xmas09 It touches on much of this, in an simpler fashion. It needs to go out far and wide without spamming. An economy has to be build from scratch. Those that try to restore the Common Law such as Rod Class and Dave Buess, need to be widely known. The scandals of our time need coherent coverage. It is not going to happen within the old dying structures. http://www.rayservers.com/blog/rodney-class-vs-us So, please see this message: http://www.rayservers.com/xmas09 and send it out to your friends. If you have a high traffic web site, use the affiliate system to put the word out and make money while you are at it. If Rayservers is successful commercially (way beyond what it is today), it will be good news for the poor coders who are coding tor for an occasional T-shirt. https://freedom.rayservers.com/blogpost3-Tor-and-Bandwidth-Settlement Become an issuer, vault, dealer, producer, investor, trader, coder, miner, doctor etc., and to be innovative. There is a whole world economy waiting to be taken over. Weave your independence: https://freedom.rayservers.com/Weave+your+Independence Privacy has one very important feature - keeping the profits of your productivity from being stolen by the parasites in power. This is why "they" hate it, and this is why Google's new attitude is now Evil. Cheers, ---Venkat. http://www.rayservers.com/xmas09
On Thu, 10 Dec 2009, StealthMonger wrote:
http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/12/my_reaction_to.html
December 9, 2009
Schmidt said:
I think judgment matters. If you have something that you don't want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place.
My [Schneier] Reaction to Eric Schmidt
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For if we are observed in all matters, we are constantly under threat of correction, judgment, criticism, even plagiarism of our own uniqueness.
Isn't Eric Schmidt jewish ? I can't find conclusive evidence one way or another on the interwebs... What poetic irony if he is ...
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