CDR: Missouri AG needing postnatal abortion
Seems this AG needs to be whittled down to size. Online License Peddler Shut Down Offered $350 International Permits to Bad Drivers, Officials Say Nov. 17, 2000 By Joe Beaird JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. (APBnews.com) -- The attorney general of Missouri has persuaded an Internet service provider to shut down a Web site that sells international drivers licenses to people, regardless of their driving history. "Drivelegal.com is now officially road kill," said Scott Holte, a spokesman for the Missouri Attorney Generals Office. "Theyre off the Internet right now. We got their server to pull the plug on them." Drivelegal.com, which was taken off the Internet on Thursday, allegedly issued international licenses for $350 to drivers with revoked or suspended licenses. "Its patently illegal for them to be promoting this as a way for people with DUIs driving under the influence convictions and other things to get around the law," Holte said. Although the Web site is based in California, the Missouri Attorney Generals Office took action against the operation because it claimed that Drivelegal.com was making false claims that violated Missouris consumer protection laws. Threat of jail, fines Drivelegal.com says on its Web site that international drivers licenses could be used to drive legally in any state or province. But Missouri contends that the IDL is only a supplemental permit to be used in conjunction with a government-issued one. "Make no mistake about it," Attorney General Jay Nixon said in a statement. "Anyone whose license has been suspended or revoked who buys one of these IDLs from Drivelegal.com will not only be $350 poorer, they will be running the risk of jail time and fines for operating a vehicle without a valid license." Few consumers had complained about the Web service in Missouri. The investigation actually started in response to a meeting with officials in the states division of motor vehicles. Owner: Im just following the law Tim Thorn, who runs Drivelegal.com, told APBnews.com that his business was legal and questioned why Missouri was attacking it. "Im just following the law as its written," Thorn said. "So I dont know really know what hes going on about. ... Ive been doing this for years without a problem." Even after getting Drivelegal.com offline, Nixons office is still seeking a temporary injunction to keep Drivelegal.com from operating in Missouri and is hoping to permanently ban them from the state. No court dates have been set. Thorn, who lives in Southern California, could face civil penalties of up to $1,000 for each time his company violates Missouri law. Reached after the shutdown, he was despondent. "I just found out," he told APBnews.com. "It sucks. I didnt do anything wrong." No recourse Internet service provider Hypermart sent Thorn an e-mail recently telling him he had 48 hours to remove his site from their servers. "I cant even log in to download materials," Thorn complained. Because service providers write detailed terms of service that allow them to terminate their user contracts for many reasons, Thorn said he did not believe he would succeed in fighting the shutdown order. "I dont really have any recourse," he said.
On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, you wrote:
Seems this AG needs to be whittled down to size.
Online License Peddler Shut Down Offered $350 International Permits to Bad Drivers, .. .. ..
"I dont really have any recourse," he said.
Ummm, let me think. Move to a different ISP/NSP idiot! jim burnes
Jim Burnes wrote:
"I dont really have any recourse," he said.
Ummm, let me think. Move to a different ISP/NSP idiot!
I think the point here is that almost every ISP has weasel-wording in their TOS which permits them to terminate service for any reason, or for no reason at all, to delete your files, and to bill you for any expenses they incur during your sodomization. While one can of course shop for another ISP, such antics usually take place when they are the most inconvenient, and when ones activities have attracted the maximum unwelome attention. This tends to make popular speech free, less popular speech less free, and really unpopular speech darned expensive. Since the majority of the Sheeple will always trade rights and privacy for convenience in an instant, people who have something unpopular to say always end up paying everyone's free speech bill, and not just their own. This is, depending on your view of the sanctity of markets, either a GoodThing or a BadThing. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"
At 05:43 PM 11/20/00 -0500, Jim Burnes wrote:
"I dont really have any recourse," he said.
Ummm, let me think. Move to a different ISP/NSP idiot!
He probably needs to move to a non-US ISP, which won't feel threatened by a US state attorney general. But that's quite separate from Nixon's threat to bust *him* every time a Missourian buys and uses one of his licenses; as an American, he'd need to get quality legal advice if he wanted to stay in business. The American Automobile Association will also sell you international driver's licenses. They're quite upfront about them not being a substitute for a local driver's license from the US state you live in, and most of all US states require you to get one of their licenses if you live there longer than some continuous number of days, typically 15-60. I have seen somebody selling relatively low priced driver's licenses from Tobago or some other Caribbean island. That doesn't help you in your US home state, but if you're in some other US state with a Tobago license and a AAA international driver's license, that's generally legal and workable. Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart@pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639
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