where's dildo? if he's not white, at Texas Southern University
Report: TSU Law School Admissions Too Easy The American Bar Association is asking Texas Southern University's law school to raise admission standards, effectively shutting the door to many black and Hispanic students that would likely not have been accepted at other state law schools. The request comes as part of a seven-year accreditation review of the Thurgood Marshall School of Law by the ABA. The law school, created in 1946 to allow blacks to attend a publicly funded law school, trains a majority of the state's black and Hispanic law students. Experts said that many TSU law students and graduates would likely not have been accepted at other state law schools because their college grade point averages and entrance exam scores were too low. "The attrition rate is unconscionably high, and the bar passage rate remains the lowest among all law schools in the state of Texas," the Chicago-based ABA said in a report obtained by the Houston Chronicle. The report, citing statistics from the July 2000 Texas bar exam, said that 52 percent of TSU law school graduates passed the test on their first attempt, and 33 percent passed on subsequent attempts. The state-passing rate for those taking the exam for the first time on the same date was 82 percent, and 42 percent on second attempts. Of the 331 students who entered the TSU law school in the fall of 1999, only 201 maintained the required 2.0 grade point average needed to stay at the school by the end of the 2000 academic year, the report said. That gave the school a first-year attrition rate of 40 percent, more than four times the national average of 8.9 percent. Admissions standards have already been raised slightly to meet ABA concerns, said John Brittain, dean of the law school. He expects the school to retain its ABA accreditation, which is required by the state. The school must submit a plan to the ABA by November. Brittain said that he believes it is possible to raise admission standards to weed out many students who would not graduate or pass, but still provide an opportunity to attend law school to minorities who otherwise might not qualify. "Raising admission standards presents a dilemma for the state of Texas because it has abolished affirmative action in higher education," Brittain said. "The Thurgood Marshall School of Law is performing a special mission for the state by allowing many students to attend law school who would not have gained admission to other law schools. "We want to continue fulfilling this historical mission of serving minorities. We have to do a little bit of both, raise admission standards and take educational risks." In the 1999-2000 academic year, TSU officials said that the school enrolled 92 percent of all black first-year law students attending the state's four public law schools and 52 percent of the first-year Hispanic students. In recent years, the average Law School Admissions Test score for students admitted to TSU has been 142, significantly below the national average of 150, the ABA said. The median grade point average for students admitted to TSU's law school has ranged from 2.67 to 2.76, compared with the national average of 3.06 to 3.10. The ABA report also said that TSU's law school does not have adequate resources to educate the large classes of approximately 300 students it has admitted in recent years. The ABA report said that the law building is too small, classes are crowded and that there is not enough space for clinical programs or student organizations. Brittain said that the university has pledged to spend $5 million to renovate the law school building and is considering spending another $5 million to build a new wing. He also said that the school will provide more training for the bar exam, strengthen its research and writing programs, and increase library funding. For more information, log onto the Thurgood Marshall School of Law Web site at www.tsulaw.edu.
On Wed, 25 Jul 2001, Subcommander Bob wrote:
Report: TSU Law School Admissions Too Easy
You know, I don't have a problem with a school that's easy to get into. Heck, I graduated from one. It is right and proper that there should be schools easy to get into. It is also right and proper that the graduating classes at such schools are about a quarter or a third the size of the incoming classes (and that after a bunch of people transfer in as sophomores or juniors from community colleges). I say let the people try. If they truly can do the work, then let them graduate. If not, well, at least they had the chance. If they're paying their own way, it's no skin off anybody else's nose, and I'd say it's their right to hire teachers if they can. It's graduations that should be hard, not admissions. Bear
It's graduations that should be hard, not admissions.
Bear
1. But check out TSU's bar exam passage rate. 2. That's what they say....but that's not how it works. Law schools "teach the test" (the bar exam), most of which is "multiple choice." In many law schools, law professors prepare students for "multiple choice practice." Most were forced to abandon the Socratic method by sheer numbers. I had one 3L trial prof that was a semester in hell. He taught the way law school USED to be taught. When he retired, everybody knew that it was the end of an era. At the end, his class filled the lecture hall to capacity. He didn't know everybody's names. It horrified him. When my father attended law school, the people on either side of him did not make it past the first year. His 3L class filled up the first two rows of that same lecture hall, with an empty chair in-between. Once again, the people on either side of him.... There was no "seating chart." Back then, they looked at you, and they would ask if they wanted you to be a lawyer. The answer was usually no. When you graduated, you went to a firm where you were honed like an axe. I have my father's law school notes and another family member's notes from UT Law c. 1900. When you add my own materials -- you come to a disturbing conclusion. I am always complaining that I don't have a "form" for something. My father will pull up a chair, sigh, and start dictating. ~Aimee
----- Original Message ----- From: "Aimee Farr" <aimee.farr@pobox.com> To: "Ray Dillinger" <bear@sonic.net> Cc: <cypherpunks@lne.com> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 10:12 AM Subject: RE: where's dildo? if he's not white, at Texas Southern University
It's graduations that should be hard, not admissions.
Bear
1. But check out TSU's bar exam passage rate.
2. That's what they say....but that's not how it works.
Law schools "teach the test" (the bar exam), most of which is "multiple choice...
Uh. Not the one I took. Blue books and more blue books. Three days of blue books. Not only that but not all schools "teach the test." Most "national" law schools don't teach bar stuff at all. The passage rate for Harvard or University of Chicago is much lower than the Law School at De Paul University, for example. Some schools have an academic program focused on the law in the state you are in. Some don't.
It's graduations that should be hard, not admissions.
Bear
1. But check out TSU's bar exam passage rate.
2. That's what they say....but that's not how it works.
Law schools "teach the test" (the bar exam), most of which is "multiple choice...
Uh. Not the one I took. Blue books and more blue books. Three days of blue books.
Yes, I had three days of blue book doodling. I did not know they had changed 4+ essay subjects. I was somewhat startled. If anybody does attend law school, the bar review course is worth taking, because of important tips like that.
Not only that but not all schools "teach the test." Most "national" law schools don't teach bar stuff at all. The passage rate for Harvard or University of Chicago is much lower than the Law School at De Paul University, for example. Some schools have an academic program focused on the law in the state you are in. Some don't.
True. Obviously, I was just whining. I won't do it again. ~Aimee
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Aimee Farr
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Black Unicorn
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Ray Dillinger
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