On Monday, November 19, 2001, at 12:36 PM, Faustine wrote:

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Haven't you ever been in a discussion/argument/presentation about computer security with someone, and at some point you notice that moment when it finally registers, you know that it really penetrated something...and they must have that sickening queazy little feeling in the pit of their stomachs when they say:

"Oh my God, I had no idea".

No, I can't say that I have. I have never wasted my time trying to convince sheeple that they need to make backups, put good locks on

At 12:55 PM 11/19/01 -0800, Tim May wrote: their

doors, use encryption, not give their SS numbers to others, and so on.

Besides, the news/experience does a good job. Events like bin Laden Airlines (for off-site backups), any number of virii and worms (for avoiding MS tools and not clicking random things), and random kipple (like disk failures reminding of the need for backups) eventually teach what mere words do not.