Hi Charles (and all) I have been 'lurking' on this list for a while, contributing occasionally, but generally 'in flames' about the topics and depth of conversation. Too little time to keep up with everything... So if anyone on this list, or in the social network of members on this list

is running these systems please contact me

I'd like to drop a line about my specific interest in complementary currencies. I have been investigating complementary currencies a few years now, have written an (unused) currency system myself, participated in the http://liquiditynetwork.org project and now at the verge of concluding a contract with STRO, the guys who write the http://cyclos.org complementary currency software, which is possibly the software with highest adoption rate in the alt.curr space. I have multi-year experience in Swiss banking environments as a software engineer, IT architect and strategy advisor. I am also active in the Coalition of the Willing group, cotw.cc cheers fabio 2011/4/17 Charles N Wyble <charles@knownelement.com>

On 04/16/2011 07:56 PM, Robert Steele wrote:

Eric Hughes, Anonymous Banking--the original hacker briefed all this at Hackers Conference in mid-1990's.

Yes I've been aware of the space for a few years now. :)

I just haven't had a chance to get these things setup, tested, secured.

Does he have such systems in place? Do you know of anyone running these in any serious capacity? I would love to engage with them.

I have a background in the financial services sector, so I'm intimately familiar with the regulatory environment that technological systems supporting money movement must operate in. In order for this stuff to be taken seriously, it's critical that it operates in a proper manner. Regardless of ones stance towards government regulation, the operational security requirements exist for a reason.

Now the non technological/operational requirements such as specific activity reports or "know your customer" .... well that is up for debate. In my opinion transacting is our private business. I think that using existing, societal trust systems as key. These systems enable that.

However there are large scale attack efforts on a continuous basis against all operating systems and software in use today. If these systems are deployed at wide scale, they will become THE high value targets for exploitation by a number of actors: ("friendly") governments, organized crime etc.

So if anyone on this list, or in the social network of members on this list is running these systems please contact me. Starting May 2nd, I will be focusing all of my efforts on the security of systems to support a digital economy/currency. Bitcoin in particular, namely for it's attractive properties for settlement among different virtual currencies. This is my "old paradigm" thinking, but it helps to have a financial settlement backbone in place. Settlement among currencies is useful. Certain aspects of the current global financial system do make sense, and we don't want to throw the baby out with the bath water. Granted we have SUBSTANTIAL flaws in the current system and it needs to be supplanted. However we can also learn from the current system.

That's all for now. I am in the process of finishing an extensive todo list that clears my plate for the next several months. I will be monitoring this list somewhat sporadically. DO NOT HESITATE to contact me directly if you are operating a digital economy system today and wish to get my attention early in my evaluation process.

Thank you.

On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 8:48 PM, Charles N Wyble <charles@knownelement.com

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On 04/16/2011 07:44 PM, Venessa Miemis wrote:

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yep, aware. check out the "Future of Money" section of my blogroll on right sidebar. http://emergentbydesign.com/

Nice. I had missed that. Good stuff there.

I need to get all of these systems setup and play with them. If I'm going to build a secure system for banking, I need to deeply understand what I'm securing. Money is a big deal.

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On Apr 16, 8:37 pm, Charles N Wyble <char...@knownelement.com> wrote:

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