Re: Op-ed on encryption: Privacy is no longer an argument
At 01:01 AM 09/21/2001 -0500, Jim Choate wrote:
Speaking of ringing hollow... How does having keys to my house keep somebody from throwing a fire bomb on it, or driving a car through it?
It don't. It's a bait and switch. After it's burned down or a big hole in its side a key is rather redundent.
It is bait and switch, but the argument is that if the cops have keys to the house of the guy who drove the car into yours, they can go see if he's got any co-conspirators and arrest them, so the risk of getting caught is a deterrent to wouldbe co-conspirators in future wouldbe crimes, and meanwhile it lets the cops look good by catching the guys who helped do it. It's interesting to me that this looks like Ashcroft was somewhat on our side back when he was in the Senate, though of course that doesn't mean he'll stay that way as AG.
On Fri, 21 Sep 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote:
http://www.wartimeliberty.com/article.pl?sid=01/09/21/0450203
Crypto Op-Ed: Privacy No Longer an Argument posted by admin on Thursday September 20, @11:39PM
M. W. Guzy has a provocative and not entirely coherent essay in Wednesday's St. Louis Post-Dispatch. Excerpt: "(Then-Senator John) Ashcroft wrote that mandating deciphering tools was tantamount to requiring 'individuals to surrender the keys to their house... to the FBI just in case they are someday suspected of breaking the law.' Somehow, that argument rings a little hollow when viewed through the smoldering ruins of the World Trade Center
On Sun, 23 Sep 2001, Bill Stewart wrote:
It is bait and switch, but the argument is that if the cops have keys to the house of the guy who drove the car into yours, they can go see if he's got any co-conspirators and arrest them, so the risk of getting caught is a deterrent to wouldbe co-conspirators in future wouldbe crimes, and meanwhile it lets the cops look good by catching the guys who helped do it.
I think driving through my house qualifies as 'probable cause' to search his house IF there is evidence or a clear line of reasoning that it couldn't be done alone... Amendment IV The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. -- ____________________________________________________________________ Kill them all, take their land, and go there for vacation. Rage Against The Machine The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage@ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------
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