Tim May[SMTP:tcmay@got.net] wrote
On Wednesday, August 8, 2001, at 11:44 AM, Ray Dillinger wrote:
On Wed, 8 Aug 2001, Tim May wrote:
(Ads could be tied-in to the content, with some light crypto or copright protection. A "circumvention" of this liight crypto could be a DMCA violation. I would not be surprised to see this already impicated in the DVD cases: that 5 minute period of trailors that cannot be fast-forwarded past...it's probably a violation of the DMCA to build devices which circumvent the copyright holder's plans and intents.)
They're sticking *trailers* on movies that people *pay for??*
Geez.. talk about destroying the value of the merchandise they're trying to sell.
Yes, we have heard here (or at a physical meeting, I forget which). I don't buy many DVDs, but this was discussed. Apparently the trailers and ads cannot be fast-forwarded through...something built into the DVD spec which allows this.
So an ad-buster which "circumvented" this would violate the DMCA, presumably. --Tim May
Commercial VHS tapes have had trailers (and occasionally ads) at the start for several years, but they can be zapped with FF. Over 20-30 DVDs I've seen none *forced* you to watch the trailers - they have always been part of the 'extra features' stuff off the main menu. OTOH, they all *do* force you to sit through the FBI and Interpol warnings for about 15 seconds. BTW: my VCR has a feature that allows it to automatically FF through ads. It works about 90% of the time, and is a very nice thing to have. Peter Trei
On 8 Aug 2001 15:04:24 -0500, "Trei, Peter" <ptrei@rsasecurity.com> wrote:
Over 20-30 DVDs I've seen none *forced* you to watch the trailers - they have always been part of the 'extra features' stuff off the main menu.
OTOH, they all *do* force you to sit through the FBI and Interpol warnings for about 15 seconds.
Some discs disable the FF button and the menu button. You can still skip the ads, but you have to skip each ad individually (with the chapter skip button). I recall usenet discussions citing 6 - 8 ads at the beginning of some discs. I do recall Disney putting out a few DVDs that really did block all attempts to skip ads, but they have since backed off on it. I suggest using google to search the newsgroup alt.video.dvd.
phelix@vallnet.com wrote:
Some discs disable the FF button and the menu button. You can still skip the ads, but you have to skip each ad individually (with the chapter skip button). I recall usenet discussions citing 6 - 8 ads at the beginning of some discs.
I've not had that happen with a single one so far (and as I said, I've watched quite a few every week for the last two years or so) -- I wonder if it only works with standalone DVD players, or, if on computer DVD's, if its a windoze thing, and since I'm using a Mac for that, it doesn't work, just like other windoze things that they put on some DVD's don't work -- Harmon Seaver, MLIS CyberShamanix Work 920-203-9633 hseaver@cybershamanix.com Home 920-233-5820 hseaver@ameritech.net http://www.cybershamanix.com/resume.html
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