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And once you get these things in place you never know where it will end... That, OTOH, is true.

Actually, we do. Every time a country creates a list, even though you wouldn't expect it from these respectable countries, politicians and policemen with their good intentions, somehow things end up on these lists which should not be every single time. Obviously, these lists are secret because otherwise the bad people can use them as a pointer where to go. So there is no oversight. They do however end up on Wikileaks and then you see that their are lots of other things on these lists. To start with the websites of the people who oppose such lists and political movements (even though the countries are democracies). Or websites like the Pirate Bay, Wikileaks or even Wikipedia. As we all know, these lists don't work anyway. So it does not prevent the people who are looking for this content to get to this content and the people who are performing these acts with these children are not stopped by this. One of the most heard arguments the politicians (or more likely from the lobbyists) is that is it hard to get websites removed or deleted when they are in other countries. Which may sound plausible until you look at what Paypal and the banks can a chief, they get websites removed in a day or 2, mostly hours. Most of the time by just sending an e-mail or picking up the phone. I know people can have really heated discussions about these subjects "think of the kinds", but that does not mean we should not make clear headed decisions in the end. An other often heard argument is, but we should prevent all the other people and especially children from running in to this filth on the Internet. Which is also an interesting argument, because people who share this kind of content do not do this openly, they don't want to be discovered. They don't use misleading advertisement where people might click on to lure them in. As I understand it, they password protect their content or use VPN's and share links by word of mouth. Doesn't matter how you look at it, it is much more effective to go after the people that do this then to argue about or set up these blacklists. Have a nice day, Leen. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE