NOTAM: GA prohibited w/in 10 miles of nuke plants
Copied from a friend, generally reliable. NOTAMs are eventually posted
to a few publicly available sites:
!FDC 1/1763 FDC PART 1 OF 6 TEMPORARY FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS OVER
NUCLEAR SITES. FOR REASONS OF NATIONAL SECURITY. EFFECTIVE
IMMEDIATELY UNTIL NOVEMBER 07, 2001 0500 UTC. PURSUANT TO TITLE 14
CFR SECTIONS 91.139, EMERGENCY AIR TRAFFIC RULES AND 99.7 SPECIAL
SECURITY INSTRUCTIONS. ALL GENERAL AVIATION FLIGHT OPERATIONS ARE
PROHIBITED WITHIN A 10 NAUTICAL MILES RADIUS OF AND BELOW 18000 FEET
MSL OVER THE BELOW LISTED NUCLEAR SITES EXCEPT FOR MEDEVAC, LAW
ENFORCEMENT, RESCUE/RECOVERY, EMERGENCY EVACUATION AND FIRE FIGHTING
OPERATIONS WHEN AUTHORIZED BY ATC:
He continues:
I've got no idea what the hell they're doing, but damn, a GA plane
wouldn't do more than scratch the friggen concrete on a nuke plant.
(It was wondered what a plane crash would do, so a F-4 Phantom II
was rammed into a containment wall at 600+ MPH, it penetrated 2.5
inches. (Its a 6 foot wall).
Grrrr. Insane restrictions. Bullyboys in uniforms pushing around,
people held illegally.
Sounds like the feds are treating the current "credible threat" as broad
and shutting down all options. Anyone care to posit a scenario in which
GA could threaten a nuke?
Peace.
--
Karsten M. Self
Sure. Don't go for the hard-headed containment structure, knock out the soft-shelled control facility which regulates cooling pumps. The reactor will do the rest just as effectively as planes weakened the towers so they would self-destruct. It is truely strange that the Pentagon was hit rather than the soft-shells downtown. Probably a feint or a blunder by a pilot nearly insane. Nuclear power plants are likely a feint as well, with so many soft-shells ready to eat -- refineries, airports, seaports, suspension bridges, most domestic military bases, universities, national labs, mega-malls, on and on, look around you where all the gov-terrified people bunch for safety in numbers. The experts here predict a mid-West target just to freak the true interior homeland which everyone believes they can retreat to. Draw a half dozen vectors connecting the publicized targets and see where they intersect. That point won't be far from Cheyenne Mountain, not the hardened bunker but its vulnerable support system -- most of which remains identifiable on the Net because it is not military or government, you know, the collaterals.
Ken McLeod posted the following to rec.arts.sf.fandom
Forwarded with permission from China Mieville, fantasy writer and student of international relations:
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My supervisor, an expert in the Middle East, told me about a rumour circulating about the name of Bin Laden's network. The term 'Al-Qaeda' seems to have no political precedent in Arabic, and has therefore been something of a conundrum to the experts, until someone pointed out that a very popular book in the Arab world, Arabs apparently being big readers of translated SF, is Asimov's _Foundation_, the title of which is translated as 'Al-Qaeda'.
Unlikely as it sounds, this is the only theory anyone can come up with.
Ken [the other one - not me ] added:
This hypothesis raises some interesting possibilities. One is that bin Laden has a number of video appearances prepared in advance, which without being too specific give the impression that he knows what has just happened at the time they're shown. They could continue to appear at intervals long after his reported death.
Another is that there's a Second Al-Qaeda, somewhere else.
Ken Brown (thanks to John Dallman for showing me this on Cix)
On Wednesday, October 31, 2001, at 09:53 AM, Ken Brown wrote:
Ken McLeod posted the following to rec.arts.sf.fandom
Forwarded with permission from China Mieville, fantasy writer and student of international relations:
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My supervisor, an expert in the Middle East, told me about a rumour circulating about the name of Bin Laden's network. The term 'Al-Qaeda' seems to have no political precedent in Arabic, and has therefore been something of a conundrum to the experts, until someone pointed out that a very popular book in the Arab world, Arabs apparently being big readers of translated SF, is Asimov's _Foundation_, the title of which is translated as 'Al-Qaeda'.
Unlikely as it sounds, this is the only theory anyone can come up with.
A report on this "strange coincidence" is at http://www.marsearthconnection.com/attack3a.html#foundation Color me skeptical, though, as there is nothing particularly odd about "the foundation" being the name of a group. The U.S. media translation into "The Base" is just a variant of "The Foundation." One might as well say that the translation of "The Ford Foundation" into Arabic suggests Bin Laden is somehow connected with Ford..maybe this is why the Brimstone tires explode? (Other etymological swirls: Foundation, founder, fund, base, basement, grundlagen/ground, fundament (ass, too, as in "bottom")/fundamental, basis, basic, a base observation, etc.--all are related to the concept of "lowest level" or "basis" or "bottom"; the Indo-European words obviously come from a "basis" or "foundation" or "fundamental" (fund, fountain, etc.) in a mix of Proto-Indo-European roots. Arabic is a Semitic language, like Hebrew, and so "Qaeda" has no particular obvious connection to foundation/fundament/base.) "Foundations of Something" = "Grundlagen der...." = "Groundwork for ... = "The Basics of ...." Google shows that Turkish uses the words Kaida/Kayda for base/foundation, so the cognates amongst the Semitic languages are obvious. I checked for Hebrew cognates, but am not yet convinced the connection is obvious. (I don't have the American Heritage Dictionary of Semitic Roots, or whatever it is called, though I do have the AHD of Indo-European roots, one of my favorite browsing sources.) The Web has the AHD sources of IE words, but not (yet) the Semitic sources. --Tim May "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." -- Nietzsche
On Wednesday, October 31, 2001, at 11:07 AM, Tim May wrote:
for base/foundation, so the cognates amongst the Semitic languages are obvious. I checked for Hebrew cognates, but am not yet convinced the connection is obvious.
(I don't have the American Heritage Dictionary of Semitic Roots, or whatever it is called, though I do have the AHD of Indo-European roots, one of my favorite browsing sources.)
The Web has the AHD sources of IE words, but not (yet) the Semitic sources.
Being curious, I did some more digging in online etymologies and dictionaries and found several transliterated versions of "foundation" into Hebrew. (The word "foundation" shows up in dozens, even hundreds, of Biblical passages, so we have lots and lots of old Aramaic and Hebrew appearances.) Here's one I found at this site: http://www.biblestudytools.net/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?search=foundation&version= kjv&type=eng&submit=Find Things like "yahcad" and "muwcahd" and "cuwdah" foundation hdwoy y@cuwdah Sure sounds like "kaida" or "qaida" to me. And Asimov was Jewish, so this proves that "Hari Seldon," which is Arabic for "America will be conquered in the 17th cycle after the Greys established their bases in New Mexico," was in league with the Rastafari Bilderberger colonizers of the holy lands. --Tim May "Extremism in the pursuit of liberty is no vice."--Barry Goldwater
Bad from to send tests to lists but no traffic here from either lne or one of Choate's. ? problems in lists ? Ken
On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 04:12:55PM +0000, Ken Brown wrote:
Bad from to send tests to lists but no traffic here from either lne or one of Choate's.
? problems in lists ?
Network feed problem for lne. My network provider has some flaky gear, but they don't resrict what packets I send and when I call up their tech support I get someone who's got a clue. BTW now that winter is coming on, lne will get a little flakier-- we're in a rural area and sometimes have power outages when trees fall on the power lines. I've got a generator but it takes some time to set up and I don't like to run it at night. For short outages I don't bother to set it up, and when there is a long outage I'll run the generator during the day only. So what I'm saying here is don't worry if there's nothing from the list for a few hours. BTW, if you want to do a test, try sending an info request to majordomo@ the site you're testing. That way you don't have to post to the whole list. Also, I leave the ICMP port to mail.lne.com open so you can try pinging it to see if we're connected. Eric
On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, Ken Brown wrote:
Bad from to send tests to lists but no traffic here from either lne or one of Choate's.
? problems in lists ?
???? Wanna say that in plain English... It's been a slow couple of days. -- ____________________________________________________________________ The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion. Edmund Burke (1784) The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage@ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------
Tim May
A report on this "strange coincidence" is at http://www.marsearthconnection.com/attack3a.html#foundation
Color me skeptical, though, as there is nothing particularly odd about "the foundation" being the name of a group. The U.S. media translation into "The Base" is just a variant of "The Foundation." One might as well say that the translation of "The Ford Foundation" into Arabic suggests Bin Laden is somehow connected with Ford..maybe this is why the Brimstone tires explode?
(Other etymological swirls: Foundation, founder, fund, base, basement, grundlagen/ground, fundament (ass, too, as in "bottom")/fundamental, basis, basic, a base observation, etc.--all are related to the concept of "lowest level" or "basis" or "bottom"; the Indo-European words obviously come from a "basis" or "foundation" or "fundamental" (fund, fountain, etc.) in a mix of Proto-Indo-European roots. Arabic is a Semitic language, like Hebrew, and so "Qaeda" has no particular obvious connection to foundation/fundament/base.)
"Foundations of Something" = "Grundlagen der...." = "Groundwork ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^ for ... = "The Basics of ...."
Eureka!!! In the Dune Trilogy, the leader of the Desert Warrior People was a foreign prince in exile fighting to free his adopted land from the clutches of an Evil Empire. He took the name Usul (the base of the pillar) as his secret name within the tribe. After driving out the invaders, he took his army out on Jihad to conquer the rest of the universe. The book's supposed to be based on the exploits of Lawrence of Arabia, with many Arabic nouns and verbs, but The Great Game fits the mold just as well. http://www.jitterbug.com/origins/dune.html Closer to home: CMDR. BEN SISKO of DS9: "Starfleet Command seems to be a little jumpy since the Dominion attack on HQ. I guess they're accustomed to sitting behind their desks, not hiding under them. I hope they don't make any rash decisions..." Any inferences are strictly in the eye of the beholder... On a lighter note: Andrea Roth, telepath Talia Winters of Babylon 5 fame, is to become an anchor for CNN. (or has already, I don't keep track of these things) The PsiCorps getting into bed with CNN? Where's the outrage? http://www.sadgeezer.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/000007.html When they catch Bin Laden do you think they will show off his book collection next to his gun collection, like they do with 'lone gunmen' and 'dangerous militia terrorists'? I wonder how many copies of Catcher in the Rye he owns?
From the Melon:
:Closer to home: : : CMDR. BEN SISKO of DS9: : "Starfleet Command seems to be a little jumpy since the Dominion : attack on HQ. I guess they're accustomed to sitting behind their : desks, not hiding under them. I hope they don't make any rash : decisions..." . . . . . . . . . . An adjacent note:
From the Israeli Insider - http://www.israelinsider.com/channels/security/articles/sec_0131.htm
Israeli police advising U.S. counterparts in anti-terrorism techniques "Eighteen senior Israeli Police officers visited Palm Beach, Florida, this week as part of a 10-day educational seminar sponsored by the American Jewish Committee. The original purpose of the trip was to instruct the Israeli policemen in American law enforcement tactics. But in the wake of the September 11 terrorist attacks on New York City and Washington, the Israelis were called upon to give their American counterparts tips on handling terrorism." --- " 'Just walk with your eyes open and your mind working and take into consideration that everything, everything can be hazardous to your health,' Police Lt. Col. Danny Kuffler said." Of course, now in the US you also have to take into consideration that all those "nervous people" and those patrols anywhere, everywhere can be hazardous to your health. .. Blanc
On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, Ken Brown wrote:
Ken McLeod posted the following to rec.arts.sf.fandom
Forwarded with permission from China Mieville, fantasy writer and student of international relations:
------- Forwarded message follows -------
My supervisor, an expert in the Middle East, told me about a rumour circulating about the name of Bin Laden's network. The term 'Al-Qaeda' seems to have no political precedent in Arabic, and has therefore been something of a conundrum to the experts, until someone pointed out that a very popular book in the Arab world, Arabs apparently being big readers of translated SF, is Asimov's _Foundation_, the title of which is translated as 'Al-Qaeda'.
*********** http://www.jerrykindall.com/2001/october.asp Apparently, "al-Qaeda" means "the base." Which will almost certainly lead to an obnoxious rash of "al your Qaeda are belong to U.S." sightings. *********** The name came into use when Osama used his cash to bankroll a series of bases in Pakistan to assist fighters on their way Afghanistan to fight the Commies. He used the opportunity to collect a rather valuable direct marketing list of somme 40,000 names and addresses of dedicated Musselman Warriors for future use. Wonder what dbase software he uses? DCF ---- "War is a great excuse to get out of the house and away from the wife and kids."
At 02:21 PM 10/31/2001 -0500, Duncan Frissell wrote:
***********
http://www.jerrykindall.com/2001/october.asp
Apparently, "al-Qaeda" means "the base." Which will almost certainly lead to an obnoxious rash of "al your Qaeda are belong to U.S." sightings.
All your Berts are belong to us?
The name came into use when Osama used his cash to bankroll a series of bases in Pakistan to assist fighters on their way Afghanistan to fight the Commies. He used the opportunity to collect a rather valuable direct marketing list of somme 40,000 names and addresses of dedicated Musselman Warriors for future use. Wonder what dbase software he uses?
PROMIS from Inslaw?
"Karsten M. Self" wrote: [...]
Sounds like the feds are treating the current "credible threat" as broad and shutting down all options. Anyone care to posit a scenario in which GA could threaten a nuke?
Yep. Mr. Usr Bin Local records a video saying that a light aircraft that hits the <technobabble> at the power plant will cause it to release large amounts of <technobabble> Evil Radiation. The only thing to do is to escape upwind as quickly as possible and never come back within 20 miles or you will all die and your children will grow horns and tails. But the Government doesn't want the citizens to know because then it will cause panic, and the emergency services will be stressed by all the radiation-sick, and more people will die anyway of starvation, rioting, looting, & so on. Then release it to the media (of more than one country) just about the time the plane hits the concrete. so the locals will see the reports as they see the firetrucks screaming. Whether or not the plant is seriously damaged is neither here nor there. Actually, you don't have to make the video, because people will come the that very conclusion by themselves as soon as they see the expert types on the TV telling them that there is no reason to panic. Or say the plane is filled with lots of anthrax. Doesn't really have to be for the first-order effect - just has to be believed to be. Ken Brown
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