On the heels of the Efnext debacle, I just read this fascinating article in Wired News which purports to explain that Usenet is already dead, and IRC will be next. http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,41077,00.html Methinks some people are just a teensy bit too eager to announce the demise of certain Anarchistic parts of the Net as a forgone conclusion. Particularly those parts which are used for Horsemen-related activities, and exist in a more supervised and LEA accessible form from providers like AOL. I'm not buying. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"