Re: [mnet-devel] DOS in DHTs (fwd from amichrisde@yahoo.de)
At 03:21 PM 10/20/2003 -0700, Morlock Elloi wrote:
Looks like the only way to shield from DOS is to raise the cost of DOS. This will eventually eliminate the low cost of Internet bandwidth, one way or another. You don't get nearly the same amount of DOS on your telephone as you do on Internet, right ? Because telephone call is not free and/or it's traceable.
And there has been creditable prototyping in this area, e.g., Camram. But not many skilled coders seem to have jumped on these projects to help out.
NDL can happen. Compare it to the early situation with cars or guns. No regulation in the beginning, you could buy or make your own and do as you please.
I know people who still do.
Then, when commerce began to depend on both (transport of goods and force monopolies) they got regulated. I see no difference between that and computer with an Internet link. NDL is a possible reality. It used to be normal to drive or carry a weapon without license. These days, they catch you sooner or later and beat you into pulp. Same thing. Dreaming about it not happening will get you nowhere.
I think the U.S. Constitution will stand in the way of widespread adoption of NDLs. They may have regulated firearms, though these laws are widely ignored by citizens, but I have yet to see a license for owning a typewriter or PC proposed. They have already ruled numerous times that the Internet is deserving of at least as free and access as print media and political flyers (which can be anonymnous and still pass legal muster). steve
ignored by citizens, but I have yet to see a license for owning a typewriter or PC proposed. They have already ruled numerous times that the Internet is deserving of at least as free and access as print media and
There are precedents. In Franko's Spain, all typewriters had to be registered with the state, and all had serial numbers. It was illegal and punishable to possess one without license. ===== end (of original message) Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows: __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com
On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 04:47:02PM -0700, Steve Schear wrote:
I think the U.S. Constitution will stand in the way of widespread adoption of NDLs. They may have regulated firearms, though these laws are widely ignored by citizens, but I have yet to see a license for owning a typewriter or PC proposed. They have already ruled numerous times that the Internet is deserving of at least as free and access as print media and political flyers (which can be anonymnous and still pass legal muster).
You are an optimist. Us pessimists see use of Palladium/TCPA/NGSCB as all too tempting a means of regulation of the net. Initially one will not be able to get high speed Internet service at affordable rates without the big brother inside, but as this "voluntary" commercial regulatory measure proves not to curb behavior that certain powerful lobbies want controlled, there will be mandatory requirements imposed by law as per the Fritz chip. Perhaps courts will not allow such to be used for explicit censorship of otherwise legal free speech, but I'd not bet that an ISP would be required to allow "objectionable content" to pass over its wires under such a scheme. And once one must register to obtain certificates for Palladium/NGSCB attestation, one really does have a form of net drivers license.
steve
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Mark Miller pointed out to me that currently much of our protection from viruses comes from people at the anti-virus companies who quickly grab each new virus, reverse engineer it, and send out information about its payload and effects. Any system which hides code from reverse engineering will make this process more difficult. To the extend that Palladium/TCPA/NGSCB hides code, and to the extent it succeeds at this hiding, the more it encourages new and more pervasive viruses. Cheers - Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | "There's nothing so clear as a | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | vague idea you haven't written | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | down yet." -- Dean Tribble | Los Gatos, CA 95032
On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 00:43, Morlock Elloi wrote:
There are precedents. In Franko's Spain, all typewriters had to be registered with the state, and all had serial numbers. It was illegal and punishable to possess one without license.
What does that have to do with anything? We're talking about the United States. There _is_ no other nation.
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