C'punks, Here's an excellent opportunity for our favorite resident buffoon to strut his lawyer-wannabe chops. The next LSAT (Law School Aptitude Test) will be administered on October 6, 2001. Jim, PLEASE take the test. I'd love to see your test score. And, hey, maybe you'll get a high enough score to tempt you to go to law school (unlikely, given your illogical thought processes, but even a blind chicken finds a seed now and then). It's only 96 bucks. Sign up for the test at: https://www5.lsac.org/reggie/cgi-bin/r.exe?To=tintro.htm&from=rint.htm S a n d y _____________________________________________________________ If the law of gravity is fundamental, why can't it be changed by Constitutional amendment since it's the primary authority? W W \*\ /*/ The Road Kill Group |*| |*| /*////|\\\\*\ |\- (|||||||||||||\((x)\ -======-------------||---:> (|||||||||||||/((x)/ \*\\\\|////*/ |/- |*| |*| /*/ \*\ M M verbigeration (vuhr-bij-uh-RAY-shun) noun Obsessive repetition of meaningless words and phrases. [From Latin verbigerare, to talk, chat, from verbum word + gerere, to carry on + -ation.]
Fucking trolls.... On Sun, 22 Jul 2001, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 21:07:28 -0700 From: Sandy Sandfort <sandfort@mindspring.com> Reply-To: cypherpunks@einstein.ssz.com To: Cypherpunks <cypherpunks@lne.com> Subject: CDR: THE INCHOATE LAWYER
C'punks,
Here's an excellent opportunity for our favorite resident buffoon to strut his lawyer-wannabe chops. The next LSAT (Law School Aptitude Test) will be administered on October 6, 2001.
Jim, PLEASE take the test. I'd love to see your test score. And, hey, maybe you'll get a high enough score to tempt you to go to law school (unlikely, given your illogical thought processes, but even a blind chicken finds a seed now and then).
It's only 96 bucks. Sign up for the test at:
https://www5.lsac.org/reggie/cgi-bin/r.exe?To=tintro.htm&from=rint.htm
S a n d y _____________________________________________________________
If the law of gravity is fundamental, why can't it be changed by Constitutional amendment since it's the primary authority?
W W \*\ /*/ The Road Kill Group |*| |*| /*////|\\\\*\ |\- (|||||||||||||\((x)\ -======-------------||---:> (|||||||||||||/((x)/ \*\\\\|////*/ |/- |*| |*| /*/ \*\ M M
verbigeration (vuhr-bij-uh-RAY-shun) noun
Obsessive repetition of meaningless words and phrases.
[From Latin verbigerare, to talk, chat, from verbum word + gerere, to carry on + -ation.]
-- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin@mfn.org If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... --------------------------------------------------------------------
I will personally refund the money to Mr. Choate when he presents a valid ETS score report for the test to me or Mr. Sandfort. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandy Sandfort" <sandfort@mindspring.com> To: "Cypherpunks" <cypherpunks@lne.com> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 9:07 PM Subject: THE INCHOATE LAWYER
C'punks,
Here's an excellent opportunity for our favorite resident buffoon to strut his lawyer-wannabe chops. The next LSAT (Law School Aptitude Test) will be administered on October 6, 2001.
Jim, PLEASE take the test. I'd love to see your test score. And, hey, maybe you'll get a high enough score to tempt you to go to law school (unlikely, given your illogical thought processes, but even a blind chicken finds a seed now and then).
It's only 96 bucks. Sign up for the test at:
https://www5.lsac.org/reggie/cgi-bin/r.exe?To=tintro.htm&from=rint.htm
S a n d y _____________________________________________________________
If the law of gravity is fundamental, why can't it be changed by Constitutional amendment since it's the primary authority?
W W \*\ /*/ The Road Kill Group |*| |*| /*////|\\\\*\ |\- (|||||||||||||\((x)\ -======-------------||---:> (|||||||||||||/((x)/ \*\\\\|////*/ |/- |*| |*| /*/ \*\ M M
verbigeration (vuhr-bij-uh-RAY-shun) noun
Obsessive repetition of meaningless words and phrases.
[From Latin verbigerare, to talk, chat, from verbum word + gerere, to carry on + -ation.]
How bad do you two drones want it? I don't work for free (as any self-respecting C-A-C-L should respect). 3 months, at say $10k/month sounds fair to stroke your egos. When I get the check with cash up front you got it. Put up, or shut up. (and no, I wouldn't become a fucking lawyer under any circumstances. I got more self respect.) On Sun, 22 Jul 2001, Black Unicorn wrote:
I will personally refund the money to Mr. Choate when he presents a valid ETS score report for the test to me or Mr. Sandfort.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandy Sandfort" <sandfort@mindspring.com> To: "Cypherpunks" <cypherpunks@lne.com> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 9:07 PM Subject: THE INCHOATE LAWYER
C'punks,
Here's an excellent opportunity for our favorite resident buffoon to strut his lawyer-wannabe chops. The next LSAT (Law School Aptitude Test) will be administered on October 6, 2001.
Jim, PLEASE take the test. I'd love to see your test score. And, hey, maybe you'll get a high enough score to tempt you to go to law school (unlikely, given your illogical thought processes, but even a blind chicken finds a seed now and then).
It's only 96 bucks. Sign up for the test at:
https://www5.lsac.org/reggie/cgi-bin/r.exe?To=tintro.htm&from=rint.htm
S a n d y _____________________________________________________________
If the law of gravity is fundamental, why can't it be changed by Constitutional amendment since it's the primary authority?
W W \*\ /*/ The Road Kill Group |*| |*| /*////|\\\\*\ |\- (|||||||||||||\((x)\ -======-------------||---:> (|||||||||||||/((x)/ \*\\\\|////*/ |/- |*| |*| /*/ \*\ M M
verbigeration (vuhr-bij-uh-RAY-shun) noun
Obsessive repetition of meaningless words and phrases.
[From Latin verbigerare, to talk, chat, from verbum word + gerere, to carry on + -ation.]
-- ____________________________________________________________________ Nature and Nature's laws lay hid in night: God said, "Let Tesla be", and all was light. B.A. Behrend The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage@ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not interested in funding your legal education, I'm interested in seeing your LSAT score. I will refund your registration fee in exchange for your valid ETS score report. What you do with it after that is up to you. No cost to you. Put up or shut up. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Choate" <ravage@EINSTEIN.ssz.com> To: <cypherpunks@EINSTEIN.ssz.com> Cc: "Sandy Sandfort" <sandfort@mindspring.com>; <cypherpunks@cyberpass.net> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 9:54 PM Subject: Re: THE INCHOATE LAWYER
How bad do you two drones want it? I don't work for free (as any self-respecting C-A-C-L should respect).
3 months, at say $10k/month sounds fair to stroke your egos.
When I get the check with cash up front you got it.
Put up, or shut up.
(and no, I wouldn't become a fucking lawyer under any circumstances. I got more self respect.)
On Sun, 22 Jul 2001, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
And I'll match that amount if Inchoate's LSAT score exceeds mine. Put up or shut up, Jimbo.
Why? I couldn't give a shit less what your score was on any test. Don't care what your IQ is either. What's my motivation? Yours and the black horse petootie clearly have nothing more than a ad hominim. You got nothing I want. -- ____________________________________________________________________ Nature and Nature's laws lay hid in night: God said, "Let Tesla be", and all was light. B.A. Behrend The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage@ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------
Chicken?
-----Original Message----- From: owner-cypherpunks@lne.com [mailto:owner-cypherpunks@lne.com]On Behalf Of Jim Choate Sent: 22 July, 2001 22:23 To: cypherpunks@EINSTEIN.ssz.com Subject: RE: THE INCHOATE LAWYER
On Sun, 22 Jul 2001, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
And I'll match that amount if Inchoate's LSAT score exceeds mine. Put up or shut up, Jimbo.
Why? I couldn't give a shit less what your score was on any test. Don't care what your IQ is either.
What's my motivation? Yours and the black horse petootie clearly have nothing more than a ad hominim.
You got nothing I want.
-- ____________________________________________________________________
Nature and Nature's laws lay hid in night: God said, "Let Tesla be", and all was light.
B.A. Behrend
The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage@ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------
On Sun, 22 Jul 2001, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
Chicken?
No thanks, I had Pork Chops for dinner. -- ____________________________________________________________________ Nature and Nature's laws lay hid in night: God said, "Let Tesla be", and all was light. B.A. Behrend The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage@ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------
Dr. Evil wrote:
Wow, finally some entertainment for us on the old c-punk list! Maybe they could do a "reality TV" show based on this.
Well you know how it is. Every so often that old case of Schaden-freude kicks in and I've just gotta tease the monkey. BTW, do you think poor Jimbo ever gets laid? (Other than a rare mercy fuck or when he pays for it, that is). S a n d y
Quoting Dr. Evil (drevil@sidereal.kz):
On Sun, 22 Jul 2001, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
Chicken?
No thanks, I had Pork Chops for dinner.
Wow, finally some entertainment for us on the old c-punk list! Maybe they could do a "reality TV" show based on this.
Yes they could, but who would bother to watch given the amusing side-show in Italy, for example. Regards, Steve -- ``If religion were nothing but an illusion and a sham, there could be no philosophy of it. The study of it would belong to abnormal psychology.... Religion cannot afford to claim exemption from philosophical enquiry. If it attempts to do so on the grounds of sanctity, it can only draw upon itself suspicion that it is afraid to face the music.'' -- H. J. Paton, "The Modern Predicament"
Inchoate blurted:
I couldn't give a shit less what your score was on any test. Don't care what your IQ is either.
Of course you do Jimbo, but I guess you already know your limits.
What's my motivation?
$96 bucks and a good har har on poor old Sandy and arrogant young BU.
Yours and the black horse petootie clearly have nothing more than a ad hominim.
You got nothing I want.
Except a better understanding and use of the English language. ;-D The test is on October 6 at the University of Texas at Austin and Huston-Tillotson College. The LSAT (Law School Admission Test) is a half-day standardized test required for admission to all 197 law schools that are members of the Law School Admission Council (LSAC). It provides a standard measure of reading and verbal reasoning skills... "Reading and verbal reasoning"? Why it should be a walk in the park for a smart cookie like Jimbo. [Irony alert.] S a n d y
On Sun, 22 Jul 2001, Petro wrote:
Willing to make me the same offer?
Sure. But you'll have to learn how to read first. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin@mfn.org If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... --------------------------------------------------------------------
By my count, we now have three or four people willing in principle to either chip in or refund the ~$100 cost. Depending on details (we'd require full disclosure, of course), Choate could make up to $300 on this, after expenses. That should be sufficient incentive. -Declan On Sun, Jul 22, 2001 at 10:23:11PM -0700, Petro wrote:
At 9:41 PM -0700 7/22/01, Black Unicorn wrote:
I will personally refund the money to Mr. Choate when he presents a valid ETS score report for the test to me or Mr. Sandfort.
Willing to make me the same offer?
i'd front the expense of the test and a cab fare between his home and the nearest testing facility (not to exceed $50 total cab fare.) but let's make this interesting: 1. Choate will receive a $500 bonus if he scores above 97th percentile (eg. 97th percentile loses, but 97.01th percentile wins.) (I'll pitch in $100 in prize money, the rest from cpunks?) 2. ETS scores must be presented in original unmodified form to an approved cpunks reader within 72 hours of Choate's receipt of official test scores. 3. Choate pays the EFF $500 for any score less than 85 percentile. Choate must send this money via an approved cpunks reader to the EFF to verify the inevitable transfer of funds. 4. If the ETS scores aren't received by Choate and cpunks within a reasonable period of time (not to exceed eight weeks from the day of the test), Choate will not be eligible for the $500 bonus, and Choate must pay the EFF $250 as per point 4 above. 5. If Choate does not take the exam by September 30, 2001 he must pay the EFF $250 as per point 4 above. phillip
-----Original Message----- From: owner-cypherpunks@algebra.com [mailto:owner-cypherpunks@algebra.com]On Behalf Of Declan McCullagh Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 3:19 PM To: Petro Cc: cypherpunks@cyberpass.net Subject: Re: THE INCHOATE LAWYER
By my count, we now have three or four people willing in principle to either chip in or refund the ~$100 cost. Depending on details (we'd require full disclosure, of course), Choate could make up to $300 on this, after expenses.
That should be sufficient incentive.
-Declan
At 9:41 PM -0700 7/22/01, Black Unicorn wrote:
I will personally refund the money to Mr. Choate when he
On Sun, Jul 22, 2001 at 10:23:11PM -0700, Petro wrote: presents a valid ETS
score report for the test to me or Mr. Sandfort.
Willing to make me the same offer?
So far we have at least $450 in pledges, then. I think the below is interesting, and makes it competitive, with an 85-97 safe harbor for Choate where he neither makes nor loses money. We could have a cpunx escrow service hold the money while the competition is taking place. Also, I'd want a way to verify with ETS directly, but that's just quibbling over the details. I've deprocmailed Choate for a while. -Declan On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 05:26:32PM -0400, Phillip H. Zakas wrote:
i'd front the expense of the test and a cab fare between his home and the nearest testing facility (not to exceed $50 total cab fare.) but let's make this interesting:
1. Choate will receive a $500 bonus if he scores above 97th percentile (eg. 97th percentile loses, but 97.01th percentile wins.) (I'll pitch in $100 in prize money, the rest from cpunks?) 2. ETS scores must be presented in original unmodified form to an approved cpunks reader within 72 hours of Choate's receipt of official test scores. 3. Choate pays the EFF $500 for any score less than 85 percentile. Choate must send this money via an approved cpunks reader to the EFF to verify the inevitable transfer of funds. 4. If the ETS scores aren't received by Choate and cpunks within a reasonable period of time (not to exceed eight weeks from the day of the test), Choate will not be eligible for the $500 bonus, and Choate must pay the EFF $250 as per point 4 above. 5. If Choate does not take the exam by September 30, 2001 he must pay the EFF $250 as per point 4 above.
phillip
-----Original Message----- From: owner-cypherpunks@algebra.com [mailto:owner-cypherpunks@algebra.com]On Behalf Of Declan McCullagh Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 3:19 PM To: Petro Cc: cypherpunks@cyberpass.net Subject: Re: THE INCHOATE LAWYER
By my count, we now have three or four people willing in principle to either chip in or refund the ~$100 cost. Depending on details (we'd require full disclosure, of course), Choate could make up to $300 on this, after expenses.
That should be sufficient incentive.
-Declan
At 9:41 PM -0700 7/22/01, Black Unicorn wrote:
I will personally refund the money to Mr. Choate when he
On Sun, Jul 22, 2001 at 10:23:11PM -0700, Petro wrote: presents a valid ETS
score report for the test to me or Mr. Sandfort.
Willing to make me the same offer?
Declan McCullagh <declan@well.com> wrote:
By my count, we now have three or four people willing in principle to either chip in or refund the ~$100 cost. Depending on details (we'd require full disclosure, of course), Choate could make up to $300 on this, after expenses.
Make that total $400. I'm willing to do my part to shut Choate up. :-) -- Riad Wahby rsw@mit.edu MIT VI-2/A 2002 5105
On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Riad S. Wahby wrote:
Declan McCullagh <declan@well.com> wrote:
By my count, we now have three or four people willing in principle to either chip in or refund the ~$100 cost. Depending on details (we'd require full disclosure, of course), Choate could make up to $300 on this, after expenses.
Make that total $400. I'm willing to do my part to shut Choate up.
You're assuming he'll "shut up." I'm not so sure of that. I think that the results, regardless of what they are, will generate plenty of conversation by themselves. Worse, the results will multiply conversations, and not in a good way; some argument will come up, and then the results will come up as a point of credibility. Then it will be back to the same old back and forth about the results and what they "mean." We might as well activate some infinite automata and leave the room for drinks. What's slightly pathetic about all of this is that it says that if only I, too, could gain the disrespect of my peers, maybe I, too, could have someone else pay for me to take the LSAT. Hey, at least that might make my parents happy. They sometimes tell me that maybe I should look into being an IP lawyer. Now there's a way to gain the disrespect of your peers. -David
I'll chip in. But can we increase the incentive, perhaps by boosting the reward if Choate reaches a certain minimum score? Hmm. It shouldn't take long for Choate to take it. Just a few hours, I'd imagine. Not much work, so there's little reason not to do so. -Declan On Sun, Jul 22, 2001 at 09:41:44PM -0700, Black Unicorn wrote:
I will personally refund the money to Mr. Choate when he presents a valid ETS score report for the test to me or Mr. Sandfort.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandy Sandfort" <sandfort@mindspring.com> To: "Cypherpunks" <cypherpunks@lne.com> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 9:07 PM Subject: THE INCHOATE LAWYER
C'punks,
Here's an excellent opportunity for our favorite resident buffoon to strut his lawyer-wannabe chops. The next LSAT (Law School Aptitude Test) will be administered on October 6, 2001.
Jim, PLEASE take the test. I'd love to see your test score. And, hey, maybe you'll get a high enough score to tempt you to go to law school (unlikely, given your illogical thought processes, but even a blind chicken finds a seed now and then).
It's only 96 bucks. Sign up for the test at:
https://www5.lsac.org/reggie/cgi-bin/r.exe?To=tintro.htm&from=rint.htm
S a n d y _____________________________________________________________
If the law of gravity is fundamental, why can't it be changed by Constitutional amendment since it's the primary authority?
W W \*\ /*/ The Road Kill Group |*| |*| /*////|\\\\*\ |\- (|||||||||||||\((x)\ -======-------------||---:> (|||||||||||||/((x)/ \*\\\\|////*/ |/- |*| |*| /*/ \*\ M M
verbigeration (vuhr-bij-uh-RAY-shun) noun
Obsessive repetition of meaningless words and phrases.
[From Latin verbigerare, to talk, chat, from verbum word + gerere, to carry on + -ation.]
participants (11)
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Black Unicorn -
Declan McCullagh -
dmolnar -
Dr. Evil -
Jim Choate -
measl＠mfn.org -
Petro -
Phillip H. Zakas -
Riad S. Wahby -
Sandy Sandfort -
Steve Thompson