Reporter writing article on proffr/mattd and threats
I received a phone call today from a newspaper reporter who's writing an article on mattd/proffr and wanted background on the cypherpunks group or movement, as he put it. The reporter -- who covers crime, law enforcement, and the courts -- wanted to know whether mattd/proffr was representative of the group or an outlier, and stressed that two other cypherpunks have been imprisoned for their actions in this area. Apparently mattd/proffr has been saying on cypherpunks that some federal prosecutors need killing. Then that post was indexed by Google, and now it is a prominent hit for the name of said prosecutor. (I say apparently because, thanks to the good graces of procmail, I haven't read any mattd/proffr posts in ages. This is what I gathered solely from the phone conversation.) Anyway, the Feds apparently are neither confirming nor denying that an investigation is in progress, except to say that they are "aware" of mattd/proffr's post. This is what I learned from the phone call. I have no firsthand knowledge. -Declan
On Wed, 2 Jul 2003, Declan McCullagh wrote:
I received a phone call today from a newspaper reporter who's writing an article on mattd/proffr and wanted background on the cypherpunks group or movement, as he put it. The reporter -- who covers crime, law enforcement, and the courts -- wanted to know whether mattd/proffr was representative of the group or an outlier, and stressed that two other cypherpunks have been imprisoned for their actions in this area.
I would tell your reporter friend (?) not to bother wasting his cycles on a lunatic. Whether or not he's still spewing his shit (like you I [attempt] to filter all his crap) is really irrelevent, since he's [by definition] not capable of spewing an actual "position". Do reporters write articles about street people who scream at walls? So why write one about a nutcase that somehow stumbled across cypherpunks? He's merely found an outlet where the word "kill" doesn't get much of a reaction, and he likely feels extra-manly using it, so...
Anyway, the Feds apparently are neither confirming nor denying that an investigation is in progress, except to say that they are "aware" of mattd/proffr's post.
How could they *not* be? The fact that they haven't even bothered to arrest him says it all - even *they* realize that mattd is just a blathering psych patient in search of a rubber room.
This is what I learned from the phone call. I have no firsthand knowledge.
Nice disclaimer...
-Declan
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While we're on this topic, some Supreme Court cases... -Declan --- http://laws.findlaw.com/us/249/211.html This is an indictment under the Espionage Act of June 15, 1917, c. 30, tit. 1, 3, 40 Stat. 219, as amended by the Act of May 16, 1918, c. 75, 1, 40 Stat. 553 (Comp. St. 1918, 10212c). It has been cut down to two counts, originally the third and fourth. The former of these alleges that on or about June 16, 1918, at Canton, Ohio, the defendant caused and incited and attempted to cause and incite insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny and refusal of duty in the military and naval forces of the United States and with intent so to do delivered, to an assembly of people, a public speech, set forth. The fourth count alleges that he obstructed and attempted to obstruct the recruiting and enlistment service of the United States and to that end and with that intent delivered the same speech, again set forth. [conviction upheld] http://laws.findlaw.com/us/394/705.html Petitioner's remark during political debate at small public gathering that if inducted into Army (which he vowed would never occur) and made to carry a rifle "the first man I want to get in my sights is L. B. J.," held to be crude political hyperbole which in light of its context and conditional nature did not constitute a knowing and willful threat against the President within the coverage of 18 U.S.C. 871 (a). http://laws.findlaw.com/us/395/444.html Appellant, a Ku Klux Klan leader, was convicted under the Ohio Criminal Syndicalism statute for "advocat[ing] . . . the duty, necessity, or propriety of crime, sabotage, violence, or unlawful methods of terrorism as a means of accomplishing industrial or political reform" and for "voluntarily assembl[ing] with any society, group or assemblage of persons formed to teach or advocate the doctrines of criminal syndicalism." Neither the indictment nor the trial judge's instructions refined the statute's definition of the crime in terms of mere advocacy not distinguished from incitement to imminent lawless action. Held: Since the statute, by its words and as applied, purports to punish mere advocacy and to forbid, on pain of criminal punishment, assembly with others merely to advocate the described type of action, it falls within the condemnation of the First and Fourteenth Amendments. Freedoms of speech and press do not permit a State to forbid advocacy of the use of force or of law violation except where such advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action. Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 , overruled. http://laws.findlaw.com/us/403/15.html Appellant was convicted of violating that part of Cal. Penal Code 415 which prohibits "maliciously and willfully disturb[ing] the peace or quiet of any neighborhood or person . . . by . . . offensive conduct," for wearing a jacket bearing the words "Fuck the Draft" in a corridor of the Los Angeles Courthouse. The Court of Appeal held that "offensive conduct" means "behavior which has a tendency to provoke others to acts of violence or to in turn disturb the peace," and affirmed the conviction. Held: Absent a more particularized and compelling reason for its actions, the State may not, consistently with the First and Fourteenth Amendments, make the simple public display of this single four-letter expletive a criminal offense. Pp. 22-26.
-- On 2 Jul 2003 at 16:09, Declan McCullagh wrote:
I received a phone call today from a newspaper reporter who's writing an article on mattd/proffr and wanted background on the cypherpunks group or movement, as he put it. The reporter -- who covers crime, law enforcement, and the courts -- wanted to know whether mattd/proffr was representative of the group or an outlier, and stressed that two other cypherpunks have been imprisoned for their actions in this area.
Apparently mattd/proffr has been saying on cypherpunks that some federal prosecutors need killing.
I received email from a reporter on the same topic, I presume the same reporter. I am inclined to suspect that the reporter is a fed. Professor rat is too deranged to be a fed. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG QpKOGfzNlJmamdzP/r/pxQqV3fmG7S20DUKrN/LD 4IVIQeZR4glowWVdlvF9Coo4rpJD871QeP0Swloba
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Declan McCullagh
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J.A. Terranson
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James A. Donald