Date: Fri, 12 Mar 93 17:41:03 CST From: dclunie@pax.tpa.com.au (David Clunie) To: Postmaster@ultrix.ramapo.edu Subject: Unacceptable behaviour by ghabrech Cc: root@ultrix.ramapo.edu, ghabrech@ultrix.ramapo.edu, cypherpunks@toad.com
From one of the very popular mailing lists I received the following posting by one of your users. While I can understand his frustration at having difficulties unsubscribing from a relatively high volume list, or his ignorance at not being aware that such requests should be directed to the "x-request" alias not the "x" list, this is no excuse for such a long and unpleasant post that has consumed considerable expensive bandwidth for no good reason ... I am surprised you tolerate students with such a childish attitude on your system and they do no credit to your institution's reputation.
[ abridged quote from metioned user's posting deleted...] Think about this scenario for a moment: dclunie sends mail to the system adiministrator of an institution complaining of the mail sent by a particular user. The system administrator confronts the user, who then explains the situation. He explains that he has sent numerous requests to be unsubscribed from the list, but they continue to send large volumes of mail. Out of frustration, he sends an 80K file to the list hoping it will get someone's attention. The mail continues, and several members of the list makes threats of "dirty tricks" and "mail bombs" against him. Now one of the "cypherpunks" is sending libelous mail to the system administrator. The system administrator now understands the situation; an educational institution on the net is made aware of a rapidly developing campaign of harrassment and vandalism by the cypherpunks. So what happens now? Are the cypherpunks winning? Are you people blind to what you are doing? What fools!!! What upsets me the most about all of this is that I am truly an advocate of net freedom, privacy, and anonymity. But the cypherpunks is setting itself up for a big fall and they threaten to tarnish the whole movement toward net freedom and privacy with their petty, puerile, and vandalous behavior! ----- Michael Brennan - mbrennan@netcom.com
#FLAME ON Michael Brennan writes:
Are you people blind to what you are doing? What fools!!!
OK, so you ass*** tell me what I'm doing. And don't forget to explain, why am I subjected to all this crap about some ass***ish subscription, and why my mailbox should receive junk mail from some irresponsible participants? [Don't tell me, that I've joined the club - since I have a grievance with your silly rambling here, by your logic I'm not liable for this, you are...] Uri. ------------ <Disclaimer>
Michael Brennan writes:
Are you people blind to what you are doing? What fools!!!
OK, so you ass*** tell me what I'm doing. You are flaming. Get a clue.
And don't forget to explain, why am I subjected to all this crap about some ass***ish subscription, and why my mailbox should receive junk mail from some irresponsible participants?
You shouldn't have to receive junk mail from anyone. And neither should anyone else! Why are you so special that you shouldn't have to get junk mail but others should? If the cypherpunks list simply honored unsubscribe requests, then no one here would be getting unwanted junk mail. It's really that simple. My postings were intended as an appeal for sanity and responsibility on the part of the cypherpunks, but you seem intent on dragging this whole affair down to new depths. I have simply tried to call attention to the fact that there is a problem with cypherpunks-request and that unsubscribe requests are being ignored. For my own part, I've made several such requests over the course of about a month. Your arrogant, puerile rantings contribute nothing constructive to the situation. I am glad that other cypherpunks are not sinking to the petty-minded depths that Uri has chosen to sink to. (And to those that I may have insulted in a previous posting, I apologize, but I would hope that you now realize that promises of "retaliation" against those who just want to unsubscribe was innappropriate.) Let's please all try for some civility and sanity and just try to get the problem resolved!
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