This is a conversation with Jimmy Wales regarding how we can get Wikipedia to let Tor get through. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Anyone with a port 80 can vandalize your website.

Yes, but we notice that we can control a significant amount of vandalism by blocking ip numbers which have proven to be particularly problematic. TOR servers are among the absolute worst. And TOR operators don't seem to care. We go to the trouble

to block all the file sharing clients, and often abused ports and protocols like IRC. Many of us typically block ports which do not have any legitimate reason for being used. If all it take is a port 80 to vandalize the wikipedia, of which port 80 is a public service, then there is no point in discriminating against Tor users since every IP is an equal opportunity offender.

Equal *opportunity*, but we have very strong empirical evidence here. TOR ip numbers are the worst offenders that we have seen. People use TOR specifically to hide their identity, specifically to vandalize wikipedia.

You say that tor is quite irresponsibly managed. How would you propose we manage tor servers differently?

Ban users who vandalize wikipedia. That'd be a start. Rate limit edits at Wikipedia, that'd be good. Write an extension to your software which would help us to distinguish between "trusted" and "newbie" Tor clients. I completely fail to comprehend why Tor server operators consistently refuse to take responsibility for their crazed users. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature which had a name of signature.asc]