Sunder wrote... "Come on, come on, out with it, say it, say it... That's right! *Ding* you're reality challenged." Well, perhaps, but Mr Donaldson's brain has been turned into a host/vector for a very powerful set of memes. In a sense, one can't blame him: He has an answer for everything, and his answers emanate from a set of beliefs that feel quite consistent in his mind, or at least that can be derived from a fairly elementary set of principals. That's a hell of a lot more than I can say for most of the rest of us Cypherpunks, for whom the world is a lot more complex. Sometimes, I suspect it would be kind of comfy living in Mr Donald's world: Good and Evil are very distinct entities, and you know who they are. Unfortunately for me the world looks a hell of a lot more complex and shadowy, shades of gray. Ah well. Pass that crack pipe of absolute certainty over here Mr Donald... -TD

From: Sunder <sunder@sunder.net> To: "James A. Donald" <jamesd@echeque.com> CC: "cypherpunks@al-qaeda.net" <cypherpunks@al-qaeda.net> Subject: Re: James A. Donald's insanity Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:06:28 -0400 (edt)

Where did I write to you that it's horrible thing to lock people up in Gitmo, or that "we" (whomever that is) deserve to be attacked? Show me the email, with headers that says such a thing.

Oh, wait, you can't, because I never wrote such.

Let's see, so you've got lots of people questioning your version of various events, and you've got claims that various people wrote things that they did not, and lots of people challenging the accuracy and indeed, truth of your statements.

Hmmm... So what is the obvious conclusion there? The whole world must be against you? Nah, you're not important enough to be paranoid.

So, what is the obvious conclusion? No, no, 2+2 is not 5, even for extremely large values of 2...

Come on, come on, out with it, say it, say it... That's right! *Ding* you're reality challenged.

Ah! There, doesn't that feel better? Now, please, go back and take your meds before the nice men in the white coats come to take you to the funny farm.

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On Thu, 21 Oct 2004, James A. Donald wrote:

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-- On 21 Oct 2004 at 13:41, Sunder wrote:

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No you imbecile, I'm telling no one anything, other than you to get a clue. Where did I tell people who are under attack to suck it up?

When you tell us it is horrible to lock up in Gautenamo people who show every sign of trying to kill us , and that we deserve their past efforts to kill us, efforts that some of them promptly resumed on release. We are under attack, and you are telling us to suck it up.

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