Well, I'm still blind to the list. (no wisecracks) I unsubscribed from cyberpass, it didn't send an email to verify the unsubscribe, it just did it. Following Choate's directions, I tried to subscribe to one of the other nodes listed on his page. The choice: openpgp.net. It didn't send a reply to a subscribe request to listproc. I then googled the commands for listproc, and sent listproc@openpgp.net a 'help' line, and a 'lists' line, and an 'add...' line. No response at all. Warum? Could someone email me directly with a non-censored non-delayed node name, and its subscribe sequence. Tanks Advance.