On Sun, 27 Apr 2003, Justin wrote:

I assume this means that nobody cares any longer about finding WoMD?

I have seen several different wire stories in the last few days where Shrub's Thugs stated that "WMD may have been destroyed before the start of the war". I find it amazing that nobody in the press has stopped to ask the obvious questions, for instance, if all WMD were destroyed before the war (as Iraq stated), then (a) How is it that the US continually asserted that it knew for FACT that these weapons existed, and even claimed to KNOW the exact locations (but "wouldn't tell" Blix), and (b) if Iraq did in fact destroy all WMD, as he stated he did, and as we are now beginning to acknowledge, how do we "justify" [read: "make legal"] our recent BoyzWithToyz party? -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin@mfn.org

At 03:05 PM 04/27/2003 -0700, Joseph Ashwood wrote:

----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin" Subject: Re: How convenient...

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At 2003-04-27 01:34 +0000, J.A. Terranson wrote: http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/04/26/sprj.irq.britain.iraq.ap/index.htm...

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Report: Iraq-al Qaeda link found

Before the US and COWs attacked, either - they had evidence that they couldn't show us because it would endanger our spies in Iraq, but they can show us now, or - they had evidence that they couldn't show us because it would endanger our spies with Al Qaeda, and they still can't show us, or - they had evidence that they couldn't show us because it would embarrass them because of whoever they got it from, or - they were lying from the beginning. I'm skeptical about any of those cases except the last... but I doubt there'll be any forensic work done to find out whether it was authentic or planted by the US Army, CIA, MI5, Mossad, or AlQaeda.

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I assume this means that nobody cares any longer about finding WoMD?

If they had evidence, they should have given it to Hans Blix to help him find them, unless they were lying from the beginning there too. (Actually, I'm rather surprised they haven't officially found them yet, because the US did give Saddam quite a lot of that stuff when he was their buddy, but perhaps the wrong people in Iraq have it...) Besides, the fact that we can't find them just shows that those clever bastards destroyed them to hide the evidence or those clever bastards used them all up causing mass destruction or those clever bastards gave them all to Osama so we can't find them or oh, whatever, they're obviously Evil(tm) so it was necessary to attack them.

Indeed it is appearing more so, I found a link to this on CNN.com's front page http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/04/27/nyt.nyt.friedman/index.html . First non-bolded sentence "As far as I'm concerned, we do not need to find any weapons of mass destruction to justify this war." It's becoming clear that many people in the US simply wanted to beat someone up. The justification for this war simply hasn't materialized and now at least one reporter has clearly stated that it doesn't matter.

Columnist Friedman believes that we've stopped an evil dictatorship from torturing its subjects, which he thinks justifies the war, but he's worried that the Bush administration will use this to cause more trouble : "it feels as if some people want to use this war to create a multiparty democracy in Iraq and a one-party state in America." By contrast, Fox News is much more Fair and Balanced about it, showing all sides "WE kicked their asses, nyahh, nyahh, Syria's Next!" "Other experts believe North Korea's Next" "IraN" "No, Syria!" "No, Korea" "Tastes Great" "Less Filling!"

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The newspaper said the documents reveal that Paris shared with Baghdad the contents of private transatlantic meetings and diplomatic traffic from Washington.

On 27 Apr 2003 at 11:28, Justin wrote:

So does this mean we're going to skip over Damascus but continue west to Paris? We've liberated it before from foreign occupiers. I guess we now need to liberate it from itself. I wonder, would a liberated France be more resistant to a U.S.-organized constitutional convention than Iraq looks like it will be?

Probably not. Remember how happy the french were to suck the germans.' --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG wd3/s5fXURevUiJmVA8aoy/jULjPhvyKbC5GnFy/ 45zPntFM4iiwC0eTgKWV/K1Hw6xCD/Khz2lNfZZnt

On Mon, 28 Apr 2003, Thomas Shaddack wrote:

On Sat, 26 Apr 2003, J.A. Terranson wrote:

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LONDON (AP) -- Documents discovered in the bombed out headquarters of Iraq's intelligence service provide evidence of a direct link between Saddam Hussein's regime and Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda terrorist network, a newspaper reported Sunday.

My bet the purpose of the looting was to allow the planting of all kids of "documents" like this. If they were in a hurry to destroy documents, fire would have worked pretty damn well, not white out.

Before The Revolution (the so-far-last one), my country actively trained the "foreign freedom fighters", later relabeled as "terrorists". We gave them training, we borrowed them our experts.

As no Tomahawk ever flew over Prague, I can only assert that US government is a bunch of hypocrites.

Some of the most dangerous hypocrites on the planet. But we'll see if this is similar to the Russian invasion in '68 (they just took cz) or the German invasion of Poland in '39. In any case, those empires collapsed, so there's hope the American empire will collapse too. The Berlin wall didn't come down 'till '89 tho, so it could be a while yet before the US grinds to a halt. Patience, persistence, truth, Dr. mike