http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/04/26/sprj.irq.britain.iraq.ap/index.htm... Report: Iraq-al Qaeda link found LONDON (AP) -- Documents discovered in the bombed out headquarters of Iraq's intelligence service provide evidence of a direct link between Saddam Hussein's regime and Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda terrorist network, a newspaper reported Sunday. Papers found Saturday by journalists working for the Sunday Telegraph reveal that an al Qaeda envoy met with officials in Baghdad in March 1998, the newspaper reported. The paper quoted an unidentified Western intelligence official as saying the find was "sensational." The paper said the documents show that the purpose of the meeting was to establish a relationship between Baghdad and al Qaeda based on their mutual hatred of the United States and Saudi Arabia. The meeting went so well that it was extended by a week and ended with arrangements being discussed for bin Laden to visit Baghdad, the newspaper said. Journalists found a three-page file on bin Laden inside a folder lying in the rubble of one of the rooms of the intelligence headquarters, the paper said. "Iraqi agents at some point clumsily attempted to mask out all references to bin Laden, using white correcting fluid," the newspaper reported. "After carefully removing the dried fluid, however, the name is clearly legible three times in the documents." One of the pages, dated February 19, was marked "top secret and urgent" and referred to plans for the trip from Sudan of the unnamed envoy, who is described in the file as a trusted confidant of bin Laden's, the paper said. The document, signed, "MDA," which the newspaper said is a code name believed to belong to the director of one of the Iraqi intelligence sections, said the Iraqis sought to pay for the envoy's costs while in Iraq "to gain the knowledge of the message from bin Laden and to convey to his envoy an oral message from us to bin Laden." The message to bin Laden "would relate to the future of our relationship with him, bin Laden, and to achieve a direct meeting with him," the newspaper quoted the document as saying. The other documents confirm that the envoy traveled from Khartoum in Sudan to Baghdad in March 1998 and that he stayed at the al-Mansour Melia hotel. The documents do not mention whether any meeting took place between bin Laden and Iraqi officials, the newspaper said. Separately, The Sunday Times reported that its own journalists had found documents in the Iraqi foreign ministry that indicate that France gave Saddam Hussein's regime regular reports on its dealings with American officials. The newspaper said the documents reveal that Paris shared with Baghdad the contents of private transatlantic meetings and diplomatic traffic from Washington. One document, dated September 25, 2001, from Iraqi foreign minister Naji Sabri to Saddam's palace, was based on a briefing from the French ambassador in Baghdad and covered talks between presidents Jacques Chirac and George W. Bush.
At 2003-04-27 01:34 +0000, J.A. Terranson wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/04/26/sprj.irq.britain.iraq.ap/index.htm...
Report: Iraq-al Qaeda link found
I assume this means that nobody cares any longer about finding WoMD? ...
The newspaper said the documents reveal that Paris shared with Baghdad the contents of private transatlantic meetings and diplomatic traffic from Washington.
So does this mean we're going to skip over Damascus but continue west to Paris? We've liberated it before from foreign occupiers. I guess we now need to liberate it from itself. I wonder, would a liberated France be more resistant to a U.S.-organized constitutional convention than Iraq looks like it will be? Here I am watching a bunch of government lawyers at the 2002-11-22 ABA conference worrying themselves to death over how to prevent spying restrictions on domestic communications from going into effect when "foreign terrorists" use hotmail accounts, and all I can do is laugh. -- Freedom's untidy, and free people are free to make mistakes and commit crimes and do bad things. They're also free to live their lives and do wonderful things. --Defense Secretariat, 2003-04-11
On Sun, 27 Apr 2003, Justin wrote:
I assume this means that nobody cares any longer about finding WoMD?
I have seen several different wire stories in the last few days where Shrub's Thugs stated that "WMD may have been destroyed before the start of the war". I find it amazing that nobody in the press has stopped to ask the obvious questions, for instance, if all WMD were destroyed before the war (as Iraq stated), then (a) How is it that the US continually asserted that it knew for FACT that these weapons existed, and even claimed to KNOW the exact locations (but "wouldn't tell" Blix), and (b) if Iraq did in fact destroy all WMD, as he stated he did, and as we are now beginning to acknowledge, how do we "justify" [read: "make legal"] our recent BoyzWithToyz party? -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin@mfn.org
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At 2003-04-27 01:34 +0000, J.A. Terranson wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/04/26/sprj.irq.britain.iraq.ap/index.htm...
Report: Iraq-al Qaeda link found
I assume this means that nobody cares any longer about finding WoMD?
Indeed it is appearing more so, I found a link to this on CNN.com's front page http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/04/27/nyt.nyt.friedman/index.html . First non-bolded sentence "As far as I'm concerned, we do not need to find any weapons of mass destruction to justify this war." It's becoming clear that many people in the US simply wanted to beat someone up. The justification for this war simply hasn't materialized and now at least one reporter has clearly stated that it doesn't matter. Joe Trust Laboratories Changing Software Development http://www.trustlaboratories.com
At 03:05 PM 04/27/2003 -0700, Joseph Ashwood wrote:
----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin" <justin@soze.net> Subject: Re: How convenient...
At 2003-04-27 01:34 +0000, J.A. Terranson wrote: http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/04/26/sprj.irq.britain.iraq.ap/index.htm...
Report: Iraq-al Qaeda link found
Before the US and COWs attacked, either - they had evidence that they couldn't show us because it would endanger our spies in Iraq, but they can show us now, or - they had evidence that they couldn't show us because it would endanger our spies with Al Qaeda, and they still can't show us, or - they had evidence that they couldn't show us because it would embarrass them because of whoever they got it from, or - they were lying from the beginning. I'm skeptical about any of those cases except the last... but I doubt there'll be any forensic work done to find out whether it was authentic or planted by the US Army, CIA, MI5, Mossad, or AlQaeda.
I assume this means that nobody cares any longer about finding WoMD?
If they had evidence, they should have given it to Hans Blix to help him find them, unless they were lying from the beginning there too. (Actually, I'm rather surprised they haven't officially found them yet, because the US did give Saddam quite a lot of that stuff when he was their buddy, but perhaps the wrong people in Iraq have it...) Besides, the fact that we can't find them just shows that those clever bastards destroyed them to hide the evidence or those clever bastards used them all up causing mass destruction or those clever bastards gave them all to Osama so we can't find them or oh, whatever, they're obviously Evil(tm) so it was necessary to attack them.
Indeed it is appearing more so, I found a link to this on CNN.com's front page http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/04/27/nyt.nyt.friedman/index.html . First non-bolded sentence "As far as I'm concerned, we do not need to find any weapons of mass destruction to justify this war." It's becoming clear that many people in the US simply wanted to beat someone up. The justification for this war simply hasn't materialized and now at least one reporter has clearly stated that it doesn't matter.
Columnist Friedman believes that we've stopped an evil dictatorship from torturing its subjects, which he thinks justifies the war, but he's worried that the Bush administration will use this to cause more trouble : "it feels as if some people want to use this war to create a multiparty democracy in Iraq and a one-party state in America." By contrast, Fox News is much more Fair and Balanced about it, showing all sides "WE kicked their asses, nyahh, nyahh, Syria's Next!" "Other experts believe North Korea's Next" "IraN" "No, Syria!" "No, Korea" "Tastes Great" "Less Filling!"
On Sun, 27 Apr 2003, Joseph Ashwood wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/04/26/sprj.irq.britain.iraq.ap/index.htm...
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First non-bolded sentence "As far as I'm concerned, we do not need to find any weapons of mass destruction to justify this war."
A whisper of honesty... He'll pay dearly for that, I'm sure. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin@mfn.org
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The newspaper said the documents reveal that Paris shared with Baghdad the contents of private transatlantic meetings and diplomatic traffic from Washington.
On 27 Apr 2003 at 11:28, Justin wrote:
So does this mean we're going to skip over Damascus but continue west to Paris? We've liberated it before from foreign occupiers. I guess we now need to liberate it from itself. I wonder, would a liberated France be more resistant to a U.S.-organized constitutional convention than Iraq looks like it will be?
Probably not. Remember how happy the french were to suck the germans.' --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG wd3/s5fXURevUiJmVA8aoy/jULjPhvyKbC5GnFy/ 45zPntFM4iiwC0eTgKWV/K1Hw6xCD/Khz2lNfZZnt
On Sat, 26 Apr 2003, J.A. Terranson wrote:
LONDON (AP) -- Documents discovered in the bombed out headquarters of Iraq's intelligence service provide evidence of a direct link between Saddam Hussein's regime and Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda terrorist network, a newspaper reported Sunday.
Before The Revolution (the so-far-last one), my country actively trained the "foreign freedom fighters", later relabeled as "terrorists". We gave them training, we borrowed them our experts. As no Tomahawk ever flew over Prague, I can only assert that US government is a bunch of hypocrites.
On Mon, 28 Apr 2003, Thomas Shaddack wrote:
On Sat, 26 Apr 2003, J.A. Terranson wrote:
LONDON (AP) -- Documents discovered in the bombed out headquarters of Iraq's intelligence service provide evidence of a direct link between Saddam Hussein's regime and Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda terrorist network, a newspaper reported Sunday.
My bet the purpose of the looting was to allow the planting of all kids of "documents" like this. If they were in a hurry to destroy documents, fire would have worked pretty damn well, not white out.
Before The Revolution (the so-far-last one), my country actively trained the "foreign freedom fighters", later relabeled as "terrorists". We gave them training, we borrowed them our experts.
As no Tomahawk ever flew over Prague, I can only assert that US government is a bunch of hypocrites.
Some of the most dangerous hypocrites on the planet. But we'll see if this is similar to the Russian invasion in '68 (they just took cz) or the German invasion of Poland in '39. In any case, those empires collapsed, so there's hope the American empire will collapse too. The Berlin wall didn't come down 'till '89 tho, so it could be a while yet before the US grinds to a halt. Patience, persistence, truth, Dr. mike
On Sun, Apr 27, 2003 at 08:01:05PM -0700, Mike Rosing wrote:
On Mon, 28 Apr 2003, Thomas Shaddack wrote:
On Sat, 26 Apr 2003, J.A. Terranson wrote:
LONDON (AP) -- Documents discovered in the bombed out headquarters of Iraq's intelligence service provide evidence of a direct link between Saddam Hussein's regime and Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda terrorist network, a newspaper reported Sunday.
My bet the purpose of the looting was to allow the planting of all kids of "documents" like this. If they were in a hurry to destroy documents, fire would have worked pretty damn well, not white out.
It's hard to believe that anyone with half a brain would be taken in by these "finds" -- there's absolutely no shred of a chain of evidence. Any "reporter" could have some Arabic writer cobble together any sort of document which they'd then claim to have "found" in the files. Or a "looter" planting it, as you say. And for that matter, why would the supposed authorites be allowing anyone at all to go rummaging thru the Iraqi files? There's no possible way the CIA or anyone else could have thoroughly looked them over since the fighting stopped, and you'd think they'd certainly want to. Why would they think anyone at all would believe this stuff? Of course, look at what they tried to pass off to the Security Council as "evidence." -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com
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