CNN.com - Internet firm sues to broadcast McVeigh execution - April 5, 2001
Isn't this McVeigh's 'speech' and 'press', does he want it broadcast? If so then the state should be compelled under the 1st, 9th, & 10th to comply. http://www.cnn.com/2001/LAW/04/05/mcveigh.internet/index.html?s=7 -- ____________________________________________________________________ We have to hate our immediate predecessors to get free of their authority. D.H. Lawrence The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage@ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------
Logically, it is only your speech if you can stop "saying" it at any time. I doubt he could stop his execution by asking nicely. -Declan On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 07:12:52PM -0500, Jim Choate wrote:
Isn't this McVeigh's 'speech' and 'press', does he want it broadcast? If so then the state should be compelled under the 1st, 9th, & 10th to comply.
http://www.cnn.com/2001/LAW/04/05/mcveigh.internet/index.html?s=7
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On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote:
Logically, it is only your speech if you can stop "saying" it at any time. I doubt he could stop his execution by asking nicely.
But he's under coercion. Legitimate or not, that changes the rules of the game. He's the accussed. He can elect others to speak for him in situations where he can't speak for himself. Your thesis breaks down into, Your right to speak exists only so long as you can willingly stop/start it. So by logical extension, the suppression of speech in a 'control economy' culture such as the ex-CCCP is justified. That in fact, once one looses the freedom of speech they may in fact never LEGITIMATELY regain it. That the 'choice' is constrained is an irrelevant factor. Foo. ____________________________________________________________________ We have to hate our immediate predecessors to get free of their authority. D.H. Lawrence The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage@ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------
Bah. I would rather argue that the execution is the government's free speech at work, and it should have the right to say it in whatever way it wants. :) -Declan On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 09:45:43PM -0500, Jim Choate wrote:
On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote:
Logically, it is only your speech if you can stop "saying" it at any time. I doubt he could stop his execution by asking nicely.
But he's under coercion. Legitimate or not, that changes the rules of the game. He's the accussed. He can elect others to speak for him in situations where he can't speak for himself.
Your thesis breaks down into,
Your right to speak exists only so long as you can willingly stop/start it. So by logical extension, the suppression of speech in a 'control economy' culture such as the ex-CCCP is justified. That in fact, once one looses the freedom of speech they may in fact never LEGITIMATELY regain it. That the 'choice' is constrained is an irrelevant factor.
Foo.
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On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote:
Bah. I would rather argue that the execution is the government's free speech at work, and it should have the right to say it in whatever way it wants. :)
'Governments' have no 'rights'. McVeigh isn't 'property'. Go read the first two paragraphs of the DoI. ____________________________________________________________________ We have to hate our immediate predecessors to get free of their authority. D.H. Lawrence The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage@ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------
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