On Tuesday, June 3, 2003, at 11:48 AM, Bill Stewart wrote:

At 11:00 AM 06/03/2003 -0400, Sunder wrote:

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That's all nice and good, but why should it be on cypherpunks? Where's the relevance to this list? Why is Ken, or his addres or helipad an interest to the cypherpunks? Why is PG&E's monopolistic's actions against him relevant to the topics of this list?

What's next? The Cypherpunk Equirer?

Well sure - because not all the Black Helicopters flying over Tim's house have belonged to Feds/UN/etc. - one of them's probably been Ken's :-) I've also found Tim's comments on Pynchon living nearby interesting.

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IMHO, neither he, nor the Streisand creature have any relevance here - there perhaps was some relevance in terms of that lawsuit the bitch started, but, who gives a shit who your neighbors are?

I'd say issues of putting aerial photography on the internet and how that changes the status of previously "secret" information are pretty close to our core issues - they're not directly cryptography, but neither are the "guns, lots of guns" discussions.

And neither are the 15th or 23rd essentially duplicative discussions of PGP or Mondex or SSL or crypto exports very interesting or useful. I have no idea who pissed in Sunder's Wheaties, but he is of course free to skip any articles and concentrate on the ones that interest him. Volume on the list is now a fraction of what it once was...and yet still much repetitiousness dominates. Sunder could consider subscribing to a "Best of" list...wait, doesn't he _run_ one? Problem solved. I was not the one who brought up the Streisand sut...that was a posting by Major Variola on Friday. I thought it was pretty interesting that the aerial photographer is a neighbor of mine. This is, after all, not the same as listing neighbors who have not been mentioned...this is more akin to there being some talked-about crime case here and having John Young or Declan say "That guy is my neighbor across the way." Interesting to know where people live, with even less techno/privacy relevance (such as hearing that Gary Condit lived near where Declan lives). Added to the fact that I see his helicopters circling low over my property (which explains some of the close encounters of the chopper kind in recent years), and the privacy/Brinworld implications (mentioned by M. Variola), and the sheer coincidence that I had just returned from my first flying lesson, I felt the need to post. Also, about 50-60 people were at the meeting/party at my house last September, so they have some (perhaps slight) awareness of which hills and nearby areas I'm mentioning. Sunder should put me in his killfile for a while...I am doing that for his posts, for a while. By the way, the Adelman situation also has a few other interesting tidbits. The company Adelman and his partner formed was called "TGV." Located in Santa Cruz, the names suggested _speed_, as in the French train of the same name. Lore has it that the real origin was "Two Guys and a Vax. Adelman also founded Network Alchemy. TGV was sold at the peak of the Internet boom to Cisco and Network Alchemy was sold to Nokia. Adelman cleared at least a few hundred million dollars. --Tim May "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." -- Nietzsche