hughes@ah.com (Eric Hughes) said:
Yet RFC-822 is followed as much in the breach as in the observance.
Not only that, but it is woefully shortsighted. For instance, when I reply to messages from email lists, sometimes I want to reply to the list, and sometimes to the originator. The variations in RFC-822 *compliant* email list headers are staggering; I have yet to see any mail software that understands the variety of syntactically- parseable signals that show that something is from a list, and allows me to easily reply to either the list or the sender. This is a technically trivial wish. It could be done, at least to the 95% mark, even as things stand. But NOOOOOoooo. :-) Similar comments apply to saving things interactively. I'm about to try procmail for non-interactive uses, but I still haven't seen a mailer that lets me say e.g. "(save (from cypherpunks | to cypherpunks | cc cypherpunks | Bcc cypherpunks | "From " cypherpunks) > savefile) & delete Maybe I'm just email-challenged. Suggestions? Doug
Not only that, but it is woefully shortsighted. For instance, when I reply to messages from email lists, sometimes I want to reply to the list, and sometimes to the originator. The variations in RFC-822 *compliant* email list headers are staggering; I have yet to see any mail software that understands the variety of syntactically- parseable signals that show that something is from a list, and allows me to easily reply to either the list or the sender.
Yeah. I am amazed that people don't get it right. My server sends out messages looking like this: From: anXXXXX@anon.penet.fi Reply-To: anXXXXX@anon.penet.fi Sender: anon@anon.penet.fi And there are _lots_ of systems out there that send te reply to "anon@anon.penet.fi"! Elm and VMSMail are the most obvious ones.
Similar comments apply to saving things interactively. I'm about to try procmail for non-interactive uses, but I still haven't seen a mailer that lets me say e.g. "(save (from cypherpunks | to cypherpunks | cc cypherpunks | Bcc cypherpunks | "From " cypherpunks) > savefile) & delete
Maybe I'm just email-challenged. Suggestions?
Try mh. It does all that. Julf
Yeah. I am amazed that people don't get it right. My server sends out messages looking like this:
From: anXXXXX@anon.penet.fi Reply-To: anXXXXX@anon.penet.fi Sender: anon@anon.penet.fi
And there are _lots_ of systems out there that send te reply to "anon@anon.penet.fi"! Elm and VMSMail are the most obvious ones.
Even worse, there are mailers that respond to the out-of-band sender information that appears in the first line (not in the header!) as the "From " information. Bounce message (almost) always go back to the out-of-band sender, so we changed the cypherpunks list alias on toad.com to generate that as the out-of-band sender. Now bounce message return to a different mailbox and my inbox at toad.com is clear for regular list maintenance. Nonetheless, I still get a number of attempted posts to the mailing list at large _and_ requests for list maintenance (?!) to the owner-cypherpunks alias. If only mail software were consistent, ... Eric
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