"Neither is the United States, of course, where US citizens are free to join the Israeli army, and commit atrocities in the illegally occupied territories, but face prison for "terrorism" if they support the oppressed Palestinians and play paintball with their friends on weekends." No real argument here. Moreover, if I "support" (even if only verbally) Palestinian control over Israel, I'm "Anti Semitic" even though the Palestinians are semites, and the Ashkenazi only marginally semitic (they LOOK awfully European to me).* However, I doubt I'll go to jail...now. If Bush gets re-elected, then who knows. As for Germany, for me at least the same government that's forbidding swastikas today in an effort to eliminate "hate" may one day utilize that same power to warp & weave official history (like in Japan and their antics in China from 37 to 45), and all of a sudden everyone is seeing terrorists everywhere who are trying to "steal our freedoms", rather than understanding that if 10 men with families gave their lives to kill 3000 of us, it's at least fair to say that they're rather upset about SOMETHING... At the same time, remember that the Holocaust happened in Germany. And if you were German and realized that your own father was at least partially responsible for baking hundreds of Jews, well...let's just say that would probably weird you out a bit. -TD * I'd note that some of the most outspoken "Anti semites" in this category happen to be Jewish: Bobby Fisher, Noam Chomsky, Michael Albert and others.

From: Eric Cordian <emc@artifact.psychedelic.net> To: cypherpunks@minder.net Subject: Re: Singers jailed for lyrics Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 14:19:27 -0800 (PST)

Tyler Durden wrote:

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Yes...because we Americans have only had one government, we tend to equate "legality" with morality, and then assume the discussion is over. No doubt that causes us to look at laws "over there" as being far more important than they really are...at least some times.

The laws "over there" would only lack importance if they were universally ignored.

But they aren't ignored, and they ruin peoples lives, and deprive them of freedom and property everytime someone in some protected class claims to have been offended.

When a Jew in Germany gives material support to Israel's reign of terror against the Palestinian people, and someone criticizes it, German law puts the person criticizing it in jail because he made the Jew feel bad.

A civilized country would put the Beanie-Headed Land Grabber in jail, and give the critic a medal.

Germany is not a civilized country.

Neither is the United States, of course, where US citizens are free to join the Israeli army, and commit atrocities in the illegally occupied territories, but face prison for "terrorism" if they support the oppressed Palestinians and play paintball with their friends on weekends.

Naziism is National Socialism. Neoconservatism is National Capitalism.

-- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

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